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Pence-Hutchison “Compromise” Induces Illegal Aliens to Leave By Letting Them All Stay
Federation for American Immigration Reform ^ | 25 July 2006

Posted on 07/27/2006 8:05:15 AM PDT by Spiff

Pence-Hutchison “Compromise” Induces Illegal Aliens to Leave By Letting Them All Stay

Plan Compromises the Security of the Middle Class by Putting Business in Charge of Immigration Policy

Washington, DC—In a desperate effort to “get something done” on immigration before the end of the congressional session, two normally sober members of Congress have hatched a plan that is vague on details when it comes to securing America’s borders and protecting American workers, while containing specific promises to millions of illegal aliens. The plan offered by Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN) and Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Tex.) would require that the President certify that America’s borders are secure, triggering the onset of a massive new guest worker program that would allow nearly all of the illegal aliens living in the U.S. to leave the country and return almost immediately with newly created “W” visas. In addition, the Pence-Hutchison plan would authorize the issuance of an additional 200,000 W visas each year, contingent upon the Department of Labor’s certification of workers shortages in various sectors of the labor market.

While the standards for what constitutes a secure border and a labor shortage are subjective, the benefits for the illegal aliens are concrete. Under the plan, they would be allowed to work in the U.S. for up to 12 years, after which they could apply for citizenship. The plan also guarantees U.S. employers that their labor costs will be capped by assuring them access to foreign workers if Americans are not willing to accept a job at the prevailing wage. Moreover, Pence-Hutchison creates an industry of job placement companies that profit by finding foreign workers to fill American jobs.

“The Pence-Hutchison plan is being sold as an enforcement-first approach by requiring that the President certify that the borders are under control before anything else can happen. But how can you have enforcement at the same time that you are encouraging those who are breaking the law to continue breaking the law?” observed Dan Stein, president of FAIR. “Under this plan, the people who are living and working in the U.S. illegally at the time that the President certifies that the borders are under control, will be assured of being rewarded with W visas.”

“Let’s try to follow the logic here,” Stein continued. “In order to convince people to stop violating our immigration laws, we’re going to promise them visas that will allow them to stay here legally. But the best way to get one of those visas is to be here illegally. Lewis Carroll himself could not have dreamed up something so convoluted.”

Pence and Hutchison also insist that their plan will not include amnesty for illegal aliens, because W visa applicants would have to leave the country to receive them. Applicants would be required to appear at an “Ellis Island Center” outside the U.S., where they would undergo a screening process and be awarded a W visa within three business days and allowed to return. How a three-day screening process for tens of millions of people would effectively prevent criminals and terrorist from entering the U.S. legally is another area where the plan is sketchy on details.

“Like President Bush, Pence and Hutchison are looking for gimmicks to avoid calling an amnesty an amnesty,” said Stein. “The Pence-Hutchison gimmick requires illegal aliens to pass through a revolving door and wait a few years longer for citizenship. The bottom line is that illegal aliens get to stay in this country and eventually get citizenship. That’s just amnesty with a road trip,” Stein said.

“The one certainty that this plan holds for American workers is the end to upward mobility,” he continued. “Pence-Hutchison assures employers of access to new guest workers so long as they show they have offered the prevailing wage. This plan would be tantamount to government imposed wage controls by allowing employers to hire foreign workers instead of increasing the prevailing wage.”

FAIR remains a forceful advocate for a true enforcement-first immigration plan. A true enforcement-first plan means regaining control of U.S. borders and dramatic reductions in the number of illegal aliens residing in the country. “We won’t know what our true labor needs are until we have stop the influx of new illegal aliens and allow American workers to reclaim millions of jobs they have been displaced from as a result of decades of mass illegal immigration. Then, and only then, will we have a realistic idea of whether any foreign labor is needed in the U.S.

“The priority for Congress must be to enact an immigration policy that secures our borders and protects American workers, not merely getting a deal done,” said Stein.


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KEYWORDS: 1busytroll; aliens; amnesty; bordersecurity; dailywhine; deaniac; democrat; dncstoodge; hystericas; ignorance; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; invasion; knownothings; mmp; openborders; wasteoftime
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1 posted on 07/27/2006 8:05:16 AM PDT by Spiff
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To: Marine Inspector; dirtboy; Lurker; Jameison; Wolfie; NapkinUser; EternalVigilance; jmc813; ...

Ping


2 posted on 07/27/2006 8:06:47 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Spiff

Yep spiffy, you all know how to build bridges too good conservatives such as Mike Pence. You all use the nancy pelosio of slash and burn propaganda.


3 posted on 07/27/2006 8:08:29 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Spiff
Pence and Hutchison are looking for gimmicks to avoid calling an amnesty an amnesty

Duh!

4 posted on 07/27/2006 8:08:50 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Dane

Amnesty is not a conservative value.


5 posted on 07/27/2006 8:10:02 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Spiff
Funny,
I remember when this first started everyone was yelling that they should 'leave the country and reapply to enter legally.'... now people are complaining because they have the ability to 'reapply to enter legally'...

Jeeze... this issue really has been hijacked by the split the base crowd hasn't it.. that or the anti-immigration FAIR types...
6 posted on 07/27/2006 8:10:28 AM PDT by mnehring (Texas is no Joke! Perry 06)
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To: Marine Inspector; Spiff
Amnesty is not a conservative value.

Neither is spewing carvillian falsehoods from the pro-abortion FAIR.

7 posted on 07/27/2006 8:12:24 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Marine Inspector

I will agree to stop calling it amnesty, when the call it by its real name...EVIL.


8 posted on 07/27/2006 8:12:42 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: Dane
Neither is spewing carvillian falsehoods from the pro-abortion FAIR.

FAIR is not pro-abortion. And, even if they were, that would be irrelevant to the facts in the article.

Are you aware that at least one of your FROBL allies here is also pro-abortion? Do you dismiss all of her arguments similarly?

9 posted on 07/27/2006 8:14:42 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Dane
Neither is spewing carvillian falsehoods from the pro-abortion FAIR.

To say nothing of the funding FAIR receives from the Pioneer Fund:

Pioneer is a nonprofit foundation that supports scientific studies in the areas of heredity, human differences, behavioral genetics, intelligence, social demography, and group differences by sex, social class, and race. (16) Some of the most controversial research funded by the Pioneer Fund has explored the IQ differences between the races. This research was published in the now widely discredited book The Bell Curve. In addition to its efforts to document the IQ gaps between races, the Pioneer Fund has also been deeply involved in funding eugenics research and in building political support for eugenics.

10 posted on 07/27/2006 8:17:06 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: mnehrling
I remember when this first started everyone was yelling that they should 'leave the country and reapply to enter legally.'... now people are complaining because they have the ability to 'reapply to enter legally'...

For an illegal to reapply to enter legally, he would have to wait approximately 5 years. These idiots in Congress want to change the law and allow them to reenter right away.

Changing the law to reward criminals is amnesty.

The current crop of illegals need to leave the country and goto the end of the line, not jump to the front of the line.

We currently have several million folks that have never broken our laws that are waiting for immigrant visas; these folks should be at the front of the line.

After them, should come the non-immigrants that want to work but not stay permanently in the US and have never broken our immigration laws before.

Then, and only then, should we allow criminals back into our immigration system.

11 posted on 07/27/2006 8:17:29 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Dane
Time to break out the legal dictionary again for some folks...
Legal Definition of Amnesty-
amnesty
n. a blanket abolition of an offense by the government, with the legal result that those charged or convicted have the charge or conviction wiped out. Examples: a) the amnesty given to Confederate officials and soldiers after the Civil War, or b) President Jimmy Carter's granting amnesty (under certain conditions) to those who violated the Selective Service Act in evading the draft during the Vietnam War. The basis for amnesty is generally because the war or other conditions that made the acts criminal no longer exist or have faded in importance. Amnesty is not a pardon as some believe, since a pardon implies forgiveness, and amnesty indicates a reason to overlook or forget the offenses.

HSW/FAIR Definition of Amnesty-
amnesty
n. Anything less than a Bataan death march to the border to anyone who crossed the border legally or illegally and doesn't fit one group's definition of real American. This includes children of illegal and legal immigrants, grandchildren and great grandchildren of the said group if their ancestors came from any location other than those who could be defined as Euro-centric.
12 posted on 07/27/2006 8:17:34 AM PDT by mnehring (Texas is no Joke! Perry 06)
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To: mnehrling
I remember when this first started everyone was yelling that they should 'leave the country and reapply to enter legally.'... now people are complaining because they have the ability to 'reapply to enter legally'...

They need to leave the country and go to the back of the line like everyone else before they're allowed back in. This plan simply fastracks and rewards those who have violated our borders and broken our laws and gives the privileges above those who have not. They should have to wait just like everyone else - at the very least. In fact, IMHO, they should be penalized for ever being here illegally and those who have never violated our borders should always be able to bump those who broke into our country.

13 posted on 07/27/2006 8:18:04 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: GarySpFc

Agreed.

See post #11.


14 posted on 07/27/2006 8:19:14 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Spiff

Very disappointed in Mr. Pence. :-(


15 posted on 07/27/2006 8:19:14 AM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: mnehrling

Playing the racist card.
susie


16 posted on 07/27/2006 8:20:31 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: VictoryGal

And Hutchison.

I give up, it's a losing battle and losing proposition, sad and pathetic that the pols don't get it!
Taxpayers are paying dearly because of their ignorance for all the welfare benefits etc for the "cheap" labor. Disgusting!!


17 posted on 07/27/2006 8:22:02 AM PDT by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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To: Marine Inspector
Actually, based on current law, an illegal immigrant technically can apply for legal status without leaving the country.

1. (INA § 203(b)(2)(B), 8 U.S.C. § 1153(b)(2)(B)) - This law allows foreign nationals- even those who entered illegally, to request/obtain green cards as soon as they are 'caught'. What does this mean? It means that if caught and if they haven't committed a felony (remember, entering the country illegally is only a misdemeanor), they can simply say they would like to apply for a 'green card'-
This law was originally intended to help 'highly qualified' foreign nationals who want to get work permits easier, but the loophole is that the alien (legal or illegal) must be given the opportunity to prove they meet the qualification.


2. Worst of all is the The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (IIRAIRA). Under this law, deportation can be suspended if the illegal alien can prove that they have been in the US 'for a considerable period of time' and has 'good moral character'. Illegal aliens who fall under this are given the opportunity to apply for whatever work visa or asylum they may work for.



If we are going to say 'enforce current laws' we should at least have an understanding of what the current laws are.

The Pence-Hutchison bill actually makes it harder for illegals to gain any sort of visa than the current laws..
The '5 Year' rule is actually quite misunderstood and outdated as laws such as (INA § 203(b)(2)(B), 8 U.S.C. § 1153(b)(2)(B)) give no such time stipulations.
18 posted on 07/27/2006 8:22:07 AM PDT by mnehring (Texas is no Joke! Perry 06)
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To: Spiff
This is the stupidist plan I've ever heard of and plays right into the dims hands.

If the President certifies the borders are secure, he will be committing perjury and you can bet the dims will use it to try to impeach him!

19 posted on 07/27/2006 8:22:10 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Former SAC Trained Killer)
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To: Dane
Yep spiffy, you all know how to build bridges too good conservatives such as Mike Pence. You all use the nancy pelosio of slash and burn propaganda.

Dane,

Please explain the shortcomings in the existing laws which require reforming.

Please explain what Pence's *NEW* plan will do when these millions of illegal aliens don't go home.

Please explain what penalties Pence's *NEW* law will exact on the Executive branch when it refuses to enforce Pence's *NEW* law as they've done with the existing laws.

20 posted on 07/27/2006 8:22:25 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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