Pence-Hutchison “Compromise” Induces Illegal Aliens to Leave By Letting Them All Stay

Federation for American Immigration Reform ^ | 25 July 2006

[Spiff]

Ping

[Dane]

Yep spiffy, you all know how to build bridges too good conservatives such as Mike Pence. You all use the nancy pelosio of slash and burn propaganda.

[Marine Inspector]

Pence and Hutchison are looking for gimmicks to avoid calling an amnesty an amnesty

Duh!

[Marine Inspector]

Amnesty is not a conservative value.

[mnehring]

Funny,
I remember when this first started everyone was yelling that they should 'leave the country and reapply to enter legally.'... now people are complaining because they have the ability to 'reapply to enter legally'...

Jeeze... this issue really has been hijacked by the split the base crowd hasn't it.. that or the anti-immigration FAIR types...

[Dane]

Amnesty is not a conservative value.

Neither is spewing carvillian falsehoods from the pro-abortion FAIR.

[GarySpFc]

I will agree to stop calling it amnesty, when the call it by its real name...EVIL.

[Spiff]

Neither is spewing carvillian falsehoods from the pro-abortion FAIR.

FAIR is not pro-abortion. And, even if they were, that would be irrelevant to the facts in the article.

Are you aware that at least one of your FROBL allies here is also pro-abortion? Do you dismiss all of her arguments similarly?

[sinkspur]

Neither is spewing carvillian falsehoods from the pro-abortion FAIR.

To say nothing of the funding FAIR receives from the Pioneer Fund:

Pioneer is a nonprofit foundation that supports scientific studies in the areas of heredity, human differences, behavioral genetics, intelligence, social demography, and group differences by sex, social class, and race. (16) Some of the most controversial research funded by the Pioneer Fund has explored the IQ differences between the races. This research was published in the now widely discredited book The Bell Curve. In addition to its efforts to document the IQ gaps between races, the Pioneer Fund has also been deeply involved in funding eugenics research and in building political support for eugenics.

[Marine Inspector]

I remember when this first started everyone was yelling that they should 'leave the country and reapply to enter legally.'... now people are complaining because they have the ability to 'reapply to enter legally'...

For an illegal to reapply to enter legally, he would have to wait approximately 5 years. These idiots in Congress want to change the law and allow them to reenter right away.

Changing the law to reward criminals is amnesty.

The current crop of illegals need to leave the country and goto the end of the line, not jump to the front of the line.

We currently have several million folks that have never broken our laws that are waiting for immigrant visas; these folks should be at the front of the line.

After them, should come the non-immigrants that want to work but not stay permanently in the US and have never broken our immigration laws before.

Then, and only then, should we allow criminals back into our immigration system.

[mnehring]

Time to break out the legal dictionary again for some folks...
Legal Definition of Amnesty-
amnesty
n. a blanket abolition of an offense by the government, with the legal result that those charged or convicted have the charge or conviction wiped out. Examples: a) the amnesty given to Confederate officials and soldiers after the Civil War, or b) President Jimmy Carter's granting amnesty (under certain conditions) to those who violated the Selective Service Act in evading the draft during the Vietnam War. The basis for amnesty is generally because the war or other conditions that made the acts criminal no longer exist or have faded in importance. Amnesty is not a pardon as some believe, since a pardon implies forgiveness, and amnesty indicates a reason to overlook or forget the offenses.

HSW/FAIR Definition of Amnesty-
amnesty
n. Anything less than a Bataan death march to the border to anyone who crossed the border legally or illegally and doesn't fit one group's definition of real American. This includes children of illegal and legal immigrants, grandchildren and great grandchildren of the said group if their ancestors came from any location other than those who could be defined as Euro-centric.

[Spiff]

I remember when this first started everyone was yelling that they should 'leave the country and reapply to enter legally.'... now people are complaining because they have the ability to 'reapply to enter legally'...

They need to leave the country and go to the back of the line like everyone else before they're allowed back in. This plan simply fastracks and rewards those who have violated our borders and broken our laws and gives the privileges above those who have not. They should have to wait just like everyone else - at the very least. In fact, IMHO, they should be penalized for ever being here illegally and those who have never violated our borders should always be able to bump those who broke into our country.

[Marine Inspector]

Agreed.

See post #11.

[VictoryGal]

Very disappointed in Mr. Pence. :-(

[brytlea]

Playing the racist card.
susie

[stopem]

And Hutchison.

I give up, it's a losing battle and losing proposition, sad and pathetic that the pols don't get it!
Taxpayers are paying dearly because of their ignorance for all the welfare benefits etc for the "cheap" labor. Disgusting!!

[mnehring]

Actually, based on current law, an illegal immigrant technically can apply for legal status without leaving the country.

1. (INA § 203(b)(2)(B), 8 U.S.C. § 1153(b)(2)(B)) - This law allows foreign nationals- even those who entered illegally, to request/obtain green cards as soon as they are 'caught'. What does this mean? It means that if caught and if they haven't committed a felony (remember, entering the country illegally is only a misdemeanor), they can simply say they would like to apply for a 'green card'-
This law was originally intended to help 'highly qualified' foreign nationals who want to get work permits easier, but the loophole is that the alien (legal or illegal) must be given the opportunity to prove they meet the qualification.


2. Worst of all is the The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (IIRAIRA). Under this law, deportation can be suspended if the illegal alien can prove that they have been in the US 'for a considerable period of time' and has 'good moral character'. Illegal aliens who fall under this are given the opportunity to apply for whatever work visa or asylum they may work for.



If we are going to say 'enforce current laws' we should at least have an understanding of what the current laws are.

The Pence-Hutchison bill actually makes it harder for illegals to gain any sort of visa than the current laws..
The '5 Year' rule is actually quite misunderstood and outdated as laws such as (INA § 203(b)(2)(B), 8 U.S.C. § 1153(b)(2)(B)) give no such time stipulations.

[The Sons of Liberty]

This is the stupidist plan I've ever heard of and plays right into the dims hands.

If the President certifies the borders are secure, he will be committing perjury and you can bet the dims will use it to try to impeach him!

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

Yep spiffy, you all know how to build bridges too good conservatives such as Mike Pence. You all use the nancy pelosio of slash and burn propaganda.

Dane,

Please explain the shortcomings in the existing laws which require reforming.

Please explain what Pence's *NEW* plan will do when these millions of illegal aliens don't go home.

Please explain what penalties Pence's *NEW* law will exact on the Executive branch when it refuses to enforce Pence's *NEW* law as they've done with the existing laws.