Clemson’s role as baseball host unfurls flag flap (More Confederate Flag)

Charlotte Observer ^ | July, 23, 2006 | Joseph Person

[MBB1984]

It would be nice if we had fewer liberals on the beaches. The reality is that the only groups that seem to be engaged in the boycott are the NCAA and NAACP. The boycott has had generally no economic effect.

[Non-Sequitur]

My family fought for the South in the famous Yankee War of Aggression.

Ooooh, boy. Here it comes.

Most Rebels went to war to end the Yankee trade imbalances that the Yankee banks imposed upon them, and they tried to stop the financial bleeding from higher freight rates to ship goods

So the song really goes, "Oh I wish I were in the land of equitable trade practices and low tariff rates...Old times there are not forgotten...Look away,look away, look away NAFTAland"?

Study your history before making your outrageous insults, you might learn something actually worth knowing.

I have, which is one of the reasons why I find posts like your's so amusing.

[Livin_large]

But I think that the underlying cause of the rebellion was the material selfishness of a relatively small group of slaveowners who manipulated events.

I'm not so sure I that I totally agree with this statement as it applies to the Civil War, but I would contend that the problems with the flag today are due to a relatively small group of individuals who want to manipulate events.

[Between the Lines]

Such a divisive symbol as the reb flag has its place only on private property.

It is laughable that some find the flag divisive and offensive yet have no objection to the Confederate Memorial over which it flies.

[Jimnorwellwarren]

I was in Virginia Beach during the mid-90's greek weeks. Not a family friendly crowd and plenty of folks expecting a nice vacation were turned-off permanently to the area after what they saw.

[stainlessbanner]

South Carolina accommodations tax receipts increased $3.5 million during the boycott period, and admissions tax collections grew $2.5 million according to the South Carolina Department of Parks, Recreation & Tourism.

If the boycott is any indication of how the NAACP is run, they are worse shape than I thought.

[Livin_large]

It is laughable that some find the flag divisive and offensive yet have no objection to the Confederate Memorial over which it flies.

Once we give in and get rid of the flag, the memorial will be the next thing they want removed.

[Clemenza]

Personally, I believe that the anti-flag folks should choose another tactic: make their OWN confederate flag out of the colors of the gay pride flag:

I think that the NCAA made the right decision. While the confederate flag may mean "heritage" and "freedom" to many white folks south of the Mason-Dixon line, it means treason to American nationalists and slavery/segregation for many black Americans.

[stainlessbanner]

First person I ever heard that thinks the CSA was larger and should have fought longer.

	CSA	Union
Population	9 million	22 million
Value of Improved Land	$2B	$5B
No. Textile Factories	150	900
No. Persons Manufacturing Clothing	2000	100,000
Import Value	$331M	$31M
Source: http://www.americanrevwar.homestead.com/files/civwar/confed.html *Numbers for 1860

[Blessed]

>But that doesn't change the fact that people have legitimate problems with the rebel flag on public property.<

So you would advocate moving them from Gettysburg,Viksburg,Chicamauga,Lookout Mtn,etc?

[Non-Sequitur]

Import Value CSA $331 million, Union $31 million

I noticed that those import values were unsourced on that website, stainless. But assuming for the sake of arguement that it the figures are correct, then if the South accounted for almost 90% of all imports in 1860 and total tariff revenues were roughly $60 million, that would mean that the North accounted for only $6 million in revenue in 1860. So how could that $6 million figure grow to $110 million only 4 years later?

[Perdogg]

That was 20 odd years ago.

[Moose4]

Yeah, ask the folks in North Myrtle and Atlantic Beach how effective the NAACP boycott is come Memorial Day. They're too busy dealing with hundreds of thousands of folks down there for Black Bike Week.

Other than losing NCAA events, the only economic losses I heard that resulted from the "boycott" were to some black-entrepeneur-owned inns and tour operators down in the Lowcountry, primarily the Beaufort/Bluffton/Sea Islands area, that deal primarily with black tour groups down there to learn about the Gullah-Geechee culture. Yeah, way to eat your own, Je$$e, Al, and Queasy.

The flag's not going back up on the Statehouse, I think the vast majority of flag supporters in SC have come to accept that. And likewise, the vast majority of people in the state, regardless of color, don't really see anything wrong with having a battle flag flying at a soldier's memorial. The NAACP leadership, both state and national, are the ones that won't let this go. And the NCAA never met a politically-correct cause that they wouldn't back.

You can have Black History Month, Asian-American History Month, Gay and Lesbian Month, and Women's History Month (all of which are loudly celebrated at the site where I currently am contracted). But God forbid we let one flag fly over one memorial to thousands who fell in defense of their state.

}:-)4

[mac_truck]

Sonny boy, you wouldn't know a leftist if he hit you in the head with his hackysack...

[detsaoT]

The NCAA is welcome to withdraw from the State of South Carolina. They'd also probably be better off paying attention to "College Athletics" and leaving politics to the CITIZENS of South Carolina, but then again, whadda I know...

[detsaoT]

The choice is not between the Black National anthem and the reb flag. Both are divisive and have no place on public property, but I'm not aware of any move to have South Carolina play that song on public property. I would be against that also.

With all due respect, Colonel, is it really a bad thing to fly the flag under which brave Americans, though Confederates, died fighting for their freedoms over their dedicated monument? The State of South Carolina is merely honoring the sacrifices made by their ancestors, using the Flag under which these same ancestors fought—something which can commonly be found in any Military cemetary! If honoring Confederate soldiers with their Flag is offensive, then who's to say that honoring American soldiers in a similar manner cannot be deemed equally offensive? (After all, there are some people of small wit who insist that all war is murder too, are there not??)

The only people dividing the country are those who continue to spew racist victimhood across our land. Merely my opinion, of course, offered

Most humbly,
~dt~

[detsaoT]

Frankly, it reveals how leftist and unreasonable the NCAA and NAACP truly are.

The State of South Carolina should retaliate and withdraw all schools paid for by public moneys from the NCAA completely. If their funding dries up, perhaps they'll reconsider placing politics above the sports they are supposed to be about!

[detsaoT]

And when events got hard for the Confederacy, the relatively quick collapse of the CSA showed that the rebellion never really had that much public support anyhow.

Or, perhaps it showed that most Southerners are more law-abiding than history books typically let on?

We're the original law-abiding side of the country... remember? While Boston was chucking tea into Boston Harbor, most of us down here wanted everyone to be cautious, and not to break the law too blatantly... (Of course, when the British came back with mortal force in retaliation for commercial crimes, we quickly joined the fight against what was genuinely tyrannical...)

Regards, and sorry for being so late to get to this thread :)
~dt~

[detsaoT]

I take second place to nobody in my opposition to the Southern rebellion, but Jesus, people, lighten up already! It's their damned state, let them fly whatever flag they want to!

N-S, God bless ya! I'm glad to be in total agreement with you for a change!

Regards,
~dt~

[geezerwheezer]

Glad you like my sense of humor. I always find entertaining self taught dimwits to be exceptionally rewarding, especially when they try to sound like they might know something.