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Myth Debunked - A Latin conservative tidal wave is not coming
National Review ^ | July 24, 2006 | Heather MacDonald

Posted on 07/24/2006 2:02:13 PM PDT by Mount Athos

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1 posted on 07/24/2006 2:02:17 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos; Admin Moderator
Thanks for the article, but it's already been posted.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1671229/posts

2 posted on 07/24/2006 2:03:34 PM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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...but they pay taxes right?


3 posted on 07/24/2006 2:05:36 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: TChris

The search feature isn't working too well for me lately


4 posted on 07/24/2006 2:05:58 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Tzimisce

"...but they pay taxes right? "

Your point being?


5 posted on 07/24/2006 2:09:57 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Mount Athos

This author makes the same mistake that most Libs make when discussing this subject. Don't confuse the conservative values of a legal immigrant, who stood in line for years at an American Consolate until they could prove they had the means and the ability to make it in this country, with an illegal immigrant who flaunts all laws to sneak into this country illegally, work illegally, then demand social services.


6 posted on 07/24/2006 2:15:40 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Mount Athos
Here is the plan.


7 posted on 07/24/2006 2:16:51 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (999-TNS)
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To: Mount Athos

In short, Latinos will more likely want a USA similar to the welfare state of Peurto Rico.


8 posted on 07/24/2006 2:17:03 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Thank you again Jimmy Carter.)
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I am glad Heather wrote this. I see this in my own neighborhood and especially in Jackson Heights, Queens, where young Hispanic girls frequently have babies with whoknowswhatman. I am told that they show up at church but rarely donate and expect services. Jackson Heights has a terrible problem with overcrowding, drug dealing and prostitution. The middle class gains that the neighborhood has had are being destroyed once again. The schools are a mess.


9 posted on 07/24/2006 2:20:13 PM PDT by juliej (juliej)
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To: Mike Darancette
"Let's Work Together" = Newspeak for "Workers of the World, Unite!"
10 posted on 07/24/2006 3:28:51 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: Yo-Yo

No, the author didn't make that same mistake. She was pointing out that others had.


11 posted on 07/24/2006 6:24:38 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: Mount Athos

I've been saying this for years. Most Hispanics are NOT conservatives in any sense. In fact, their lifestyle is less conservative than that of most liberals. Alcoholism, illegitimacy, divorce, and adultery are rampant in Hispanic communities.


12 posted on 07/24/2006 6:56:37 PM PDT by Holden Magroin (Bush has no compassion for conservatives)
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I think the conservative strategy is just to have parity with liberals on new Hispanics, or at least keep it 60/40.


13 posted on 07/24/2006 7:48:41 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Mount Athos
I would like to believe that the RNC has a long-range strategy which posits that amnestied "Hispanics" (read: Mexicans) would eventually become prosperous, reliably conservative voters in say 10-20 years (as opposed to an unwillingness to stand up to the "substandard wage illegal loving" business community, combined with a fear-fueled belief in the "inevitability" factor which holds that today's illegals will eventually become citizens no matter what "we the people" want). But just ask yourself, when was the last time the post-Lee Atwater RNC (the truest exponents of political "crisis management") ever thought beyond the next election cycle?
14 posted on 07/24/2006 8:29:41 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: Mount Athos

"Conservatives, including open-borders conservatives, "

There is no such animal as an open borders conservative, period!


15 posted on 07/24/2006 9:23:07 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Taglines for sale or rent. Good "one liners", 50 cents.)
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To: Mount Athos
The Hispanic Challenge (To America) A MUST READ Samuel Huntington (Long But Good)
16 posted on 07/24/2006 11:03:07 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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This article is more a discussion about culture than immigration. But, you go ahead and try to deflect the real reasons behind the article - the myth of the conservative hispanic.


17 posted on 07/25/2006 3:12:45 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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You call Cuban Hispanics liberal? The premise of this essay is much too broad to paint all "hispanics" with the same brush.

There is a culture of perpetual poverty in the Hispanic community, I know, and it is very similar to the culture of perpetual poverty of the African Americans and the "ghetto".

The "barrio" mentality guarentees that this cycle will continue from generation to generation. The article points out all of the warning signs: That unwed pregnancies are no longer stigmatized, that it is acceptable to be on perpetual welfare, etc.

However, what is the root cause of this "barrio" mentality? The failure to assimilate into the "American" culture, instead relying on others in their own community due to their undocumeted status, and fueled I admit by biggoted Whites in their refusal to accept them. So instead they have turned inward and created their own subworld that has slowly morphed into what we have today.

Unfortunately the answer does not lie, as the author suggests, in more government programs, but instead in the Hispanic community itself changing the way they view education, self reliance, and responsibility. Unfortunately, for Hispanic leadership, like La Raza, victimhood is their only ticket to power, so since the change cannot be imposed from outside, and will not be adopted on the inside, things won't change.

The premise of "open border" and "amnesty" is what I was attacking. Did you not see those words in the last few paragraphs? The author was using the entire article as an argument against open borders and amnesty, which I agree, but not because Hispanics are inately "not conservative."


18 posted on 07/25/2006 6:03:37 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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Unfortunately the answer does not lie, as the author suggests, in more government programs, but instead in the Hispanic community itself changing the way they view education, self reliance, and responsibility.

I didn't understand anything like that being suggested in the article by the author. Read it again, please, without speed-reading.

19 posted on 07/25/2006 10:11:43 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
Excuse me.

Unfortunately the answer does not lie, as the author indicates others suggest s , in more government programs, but instead in the Hispanic community itself changing the way they view education, self reliance, and responsibility.

20 posted on 07/25/2006 10:22:23 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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