Posted on 07/23/2006 6:02:57 PM PDT by WestTexasWend
These people all claim to be pagans, but you don't see anyone worshiping Jupiter anymore.
> you don't see anyone worshiping Jupiter anymore.
You're not looking hard enough.
Religio Romana, Nova Roma, Movimento Tradizionale Romano.
And yes, the Egyptian, Greek, Slavic and Celtic pantheons have established worshippers as well. Even the old paganism of Canaan has followers.
To each their own.
"but you don't see anyone worshiping Jupiter anymore."
Doesn't Jupiter mean great father? I know "piter" in Jupiter means father... that element of paganism in found in Abrahamic faiths too. "Ab" in Abraham itself means father. Hmm.
Asatru? Sounds an awful lot loke Ashtorah to me, the one from the Old Testament.
Oh no, not another one!
Oh, I get it. Chuck Colson cannot set up a Christian ministry in the prisons, but they can have Norse gods. Probably chaplains, too, paid for by the taxpayers. Exactly what part of this makes any sense at all?
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Like so many other good philosophies, there are people too stupid, or too twisted, to follow it. Muslims have their Islamic fascists, Christians have their Westboro Baptists, and it looks like the Asatruar are stuck with knuckle draggin neaderthals without the brain power equal to a mouses fart.
We already have a well extablished bunch of Born Again Pagans in our Government at all levels. They are easy to recognize as GovernMental EnvironMentalists and you will be complelled to comply with their every wish or suffer the consequenses!!!
Actually the vast majority of the Germanic heathens, whether the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms in England, the Germanic tribes on the continent, or last of all the Scandinavian nations, were converted through the efforts of missionaries. The heathen Anglo-Saxons of Britain were converted from their worship of Woden/Odin, Thunor/Thor, Tiw, Freya et al. largely through the directing efforts of pope Gregory, who sent Augustine of Canterbury together with many monks to Britain to preach the Word of God to the Anglo-Saxon race. Although the mission lost heart at one point at the prospect of facing the fierce barbarians, encouragement from Gregory persuaded the mission to go on and ultimately Aethelbert, King of Kent, gave them a dwelling-place and food at Canterbury, and allowed them to freely preach the Word. After a long period (with some reverses) Christianity eventually took hold throughout Anglo-Saxon Britain, and the Anglo-Saxons in turn sent monk missionaries such as Willibrord (a Northumbrian) and Boniface (a West Saxon) to the continent, first to Frisia, then Saxony, Thuringia, Bavaria and elsewhere. It was through the foundation of monasteries that Christianity was ultimately established in Frisia and central and western Germany. Yes, it is true at a later point in time Charlemagne pursued military campaigns against the heathen Saxons and defeated them in a battle in 782, the survivors of which were forcibly converted. But that was not how the bulk of the Germanic/Norse heathens became Christians. And of course later, missions from England and Hamburg-Bremen were key to establishing Christianity among the Scandinavians, first among the Danes in the last third of the tenth century, Norway in the first third of the eleventh century, and Sweden much later.
Yes, there was a top-down aspect to the conversion, as the missionaries focused their preaching on the leaders, but the idea that the bulk of the heathen Germanic/Norse nations were converted through violence is rubbish, although you certainly do a good job of repeating the politically-correct version of history that one might take away from watching Hollywood movies.
The top down aspect you refer to had many executions attached to it. Good work on the timeline, and I'll even give you that many of the missionaries may not have intended the kings and local rulers do so much killing, but the idea it was voluntary is incorrect in far too many cases to be a coincidence.
Islam is the most violent pagan belief system the world has ever seen.
> the idea it was voluntary is incorrect in far too many cases to be a coincidence.
Indeed. King Olaf Tryggvasson and St. Olaf, for instance, brutally tortured and killed many of the old faith in their quest to Christianize Norway. Iceland Christianized about the year 1000 as a way to stop the fighting between the pagans and the Christians... the means of conversion being that everybody voted on which religion the island should be, the Christians won the vote and the pagans converted. One wonders who well that woudl work in an area where Muslim population had suddenly exploded and equalled the local Christian population, and they had been causing lots of trouble...
> the (admittedly small) group of Asatruar I know personally, including myself, view the Israelis with respect.
I've known more than a few didicated Asatruar who, sadly, being of the Leftist persuasion, can't get past the "Israelies are oppressing the poor Palestinians" talking points. Asatruar lean far more to the political right than, say Wiccans, but Leftist idiocy can infect any religious group.
> I find the practice of specifically targetting inmates for conversion generally repulsive
Indeed. For a religion like Christianity or Islam, where evangelizing is important, preaching to people who have nothing better to do with their time than listen makes a measure of sense. But for a religion like Asatru, which has no evangelical motive, there's no sense in it. It seems like intentionally persuing bad press.
Hail Xenu.
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