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1 posted on 07/22/2006 7:32:39 PM PDT by freedom44
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Liberation yes but not with large numbers of American boots on the ground.


2 posted on 07/22/2006 7:38:19 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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How about Iran liberates themselves. We did it. They can too. And yes, they'll have to bleed and die for it. Better they do it than we sacrifice our young men's lives for them. That sounds cold and it is. Maybe we should send them guns and train them how to beat the mullahs. That works for me. Like the French did when we were fighting the British. Otherwise the Iranians need to pay their own way - freedom isn't free.


4 posted on 07/22/2006 7:44:14 PM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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I seem to remember similar words being spoken about another country two or three years back. Not so interested in sticking our collective hand in a hornet's nest again.


6 posted on 07/22/2006 7:48:03 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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Winning over Iran is the key to ending the nuke issue, the key to peace in the middle east and successfully fighting the WOT.
The current regime must be overthrown.
Time is running out.
We need Iran as an ally again, and attacking them won't do that. We need to help them as we've helped other countries gain their freedom from dictators and we need to start helping them do it now.


10 posted on 07/22/2006 8:09:20 PM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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I'm fine with removing the Mullah's in Iran, but NO staying to build them an "Islamic Democracy". Go in and remove the regime as a lesson to other enemies of the United States is just fine by me. The Iranians can take over from there, though I think an awful lot of people will be disappointed to discover that perhaps a majority of Iranians are not so unhappy with exactly what they have. Ya, some of the Iranians to include college students hate the ruling clerics, but I'm not so sure that the actual majority of the population feels quite the same.

So ya, destroying the regime may be a good plan, but NO more with this fantasy that Islam is compatible with any democracy we would recognize. If the plan is to build Iran a democracy, I will absolutely oppose it.


11 posted on 07/22/2006 8:25:20 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: freedom44

Interesting. Thanks for posting.


12 posted on 07/22/2006 8:43:32 PM PDT by PGalt
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Give Iran a kick start....drop a few cruise missiles on the monkey mans and mad mullahs heads...Boooooom.....then let the Iranians take it fom there.,,,,


14 posted on 07/22/2006 8:47:35 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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ARTICLE: There are methods and resources. The international community is not completely powerless to support this in some other effective and tactical way. An amalgamation of the external pressure working with the internal force of the people would weaken and undermine the clerical government enormously...

HISTORY: February 1778 --- As a result of the patriot victory at Saratoga and American diplomatic efforts, France allies itself with the new American government. French financial and military aid will prove critical in winning the war. The Continental Army will learn of the French Alliance in May.

HUMINT: While Iranians are not in a colonial position to declare independence, the Iranian revolution is still afoot. Looking back at the rhetoric of the late seventies and early eighties in Iran… the streets were full of men and women thirsty for freedom. They were openly clashing with the fascists! It's still happening. The initial Iranian version of Saratoga occurred sometime ago and has reoccurred since. It has been an abysmal failure of the West, blind to the inner meaning of these unsettling instabilities. Granted, Iranian expatriates operate inharmoniously and are easily caricatured, (foolishly) by each other and the regime, but their passion for change is irrefutable.

Yes, the West can make great strides to amplify dissident tremors transforming them into a roaring earthquake. In the ensuing turbulence, great generals would emerge to take the fight to the fascist enemy! But could they do it in time? Could they forestall a nuclear armed Iran?

The least Iranian dissidents should do is work in concert with other forces of freedom. Imagine the alternative! Imagine a fight to end the Iranian threat without a chorus of Iranian democrats to set the stage for a lasting freedom in Iran… personally, I imagine …smoke, fire and more pain than these unharmonious Iranian dissidents can fathom today. Sad really…

15 posted on 07/22/2006 8:49:33 PM PDT by humint (...err the least and endure! --- VDH)
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I still think Iran would make a perfect self lite glass floored fuel depot for the U.S. Military transiting from Iraq to North Korea via Afghanistan, following a brief stop over in Syria.
19 posted on 07/22/2006 10:19:32 PM PDT by Herakles (Liberals are stone stupid and proud of it!)
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