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Families Without Children - Report Reveals Changes in Attitudes Towards Kids
Zenit News Agency ^ | July 22, 2006

Posted on 07/22/2006 6:03:00 PM PDT by NYer

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To: NYer
My sister lives in Chicago, and I see that alot in her friends. Most are in their mid 30's, and have the maturity level of a teenager. Life is partying and self focused.

How odd that the West will die because we were to self absorbed to have children.
101 posted on 07/22/2006 8:57:07 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Liberty Valance

Ok. You are excused LOL


102 posted on 07/22/2006 8:58:36 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: OldPossum

having children is not a selfish thing, but NOT having children is just this reason why our government is allowing unchecked immigration. welcome our replacement population,

my next door neighbor, who died recently, 78 years old, was robbed, and stolen her earthly belongings by immigrant people she befriended. I tried to help her, but by the time she ended up passing on, she left her home to the indian taxi cab driver, the handi man who took her for $13,000.00 and a gay guatemalan man she took into her home. She died a pauper. I guess befitting for someone who had no children. They only befriended her for what she had.

Just good luck to you. Here in Los Angeles, we are swimming with these opportunists who are ready to take all of what we have worked for.


103 posted on 07/22/2006 8:59:37 PM PDT by television is just wrong (our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: SuziQ

Luther said, 500 years ago, that people put off getting married just so they can fornicate, basically what you are saying, which is 100% true.


104 posted on 07/22/2006 9:00:20 PM PDT by sine_nomine (Go Israel. Beat the terrorists.)
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To: CindyDawg

What in the world does this have to do with parents whose DIL's up and leave their sons (often for another man), take the kids, and ruin his life. You better wake up.


105 posted on 07/22/2006 9:00:33 PM PDT by Dnepr
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To: kittymyrib

You are a Lutheran, Kitty, and 100% correct.


106 posted on 07/22/2006 9:00:59 PM PDT by sine_nomine (Go Israel. Beat the terrorists.)
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To: Dnepr

It means that my DILs have become my girls and like my sons , regardless of what they might do , my husband and I will still love them and want them in our lives.


107 posted on 07/22/2006 9:04:19 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: ManningMillworks

I bet you are quite the Romeo.


108 posted on 07/22/2006 9:04:35 PM PDT by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: Dnepr

The school systems love special needs kids, too, so they dope up most of them and collect a bounty on them. Kids are messed up by not living with both their parents, then messed up worse by being doped legally with the blessing of the school system.

My antsy kid grew up to be a polymath who is adept in technology (national conferences) and the humanities. Neat kids too. We tried to keep him as far from the public system as possible.


109 posted on 07/22/2006 9:08:58 PM PDT by sine_nomine (Go Israel. Beat the terrorists.)
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To: sine_nomine

All of my grandkids are a little "hyper" I'm sure the public schools could "fix" them but we kind of like them the way they are.


110 posted on 07/22/2006 9:11:23 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: redgolum
I'm not so sure it's about self-absorbtion. Rather, it could be an avoidance of pain, suffering, and the headaches that going along with the rearing of children.

My wife and I are childfree, and we've talked about this subject many, many times. We've chosen to remain without children because of two main reasons: One, the level of patience required for children vastly exceeds our ability. I understand that this a character failing on our part, but at least we're cognizant of it.

Two, we have a pessimistic view of our society, and would not want to bring another life into this world. Our civilization is inundated with shallow and materialistic pursuits and it's only going to get worse, not better. Who wants to bring a child into the world when - despite our best intentions - they'll most likely become a consumer drone?
111 posted on 07/22/2006 9:14:08 PM PDT by Sirloin
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To: CindyDawg

Well, I guess the numbers don't lie, but I see things the way you do. Also I see many large families where I live (an exburb) and I see the stay-at-home mom has become a status symbol---means the husband makes LOTS of money.

I do think many women who are now in their 40's were fed a line that they could have it all, including postponing childbearing pretty much indefinitely. The day came they wanted kids, but found out--oh really--fertility does start to decline with the years.


112 posted on 07/22/2006 9:17:48 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: NYer

"What does this portend for the future, the report asks. For a start, less political support for families. In the last presidential election, parents made up slightly less than 40% of the electorate. Less votes translates into less support for funding of schools and youth activities. Already a number of communities across the nation are trying to hold down property taxes by restricting the construction of affordable single family housing."

I would decry this increasing trend of childlessness but for the above excerpt. My sympathy dries up when my pocketbook gets flinched from. That and to witness the outrageous behavior of kids these days makes the idea od raising a family sickening to one's stomach. And then there's the divorce rate...


113 posted on 07/22/2006 9:18:21 PM PDT by KantianBurke (We Cannot Civilize, But We Can Neutralize)
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To: CindyDawg

So true. Being locked in a wooden desk is not natural for boys. See Tom Sawyer for support on this issue.


114 posted on 07/22/2006 9:18:58 PM PDT by sine_nomine (Go Israel. Beat the terrorists.)
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To: NYer

I was blessed with four children. I would have had more if we could have afforded it.

I can't imagine my life without even one of them.


115 posted on 07/22/2006 9:25:36 PM PDT by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: wouldntbprudent

I've noticed lately that guys seem to be the one's putting pressure on their wives to work. Many would rather stay home but it's that 2 income thing. Why live in a big house, if you have to work all the time to make payments?. Kids don't care. They would rather momma be home.


116 posted on 07/22/2006 9:26:40 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Popocatapetl
Not "old maid" or "otaku",

And to think in a little more than a week I'll be going to a convention that uses otaku as pat of its name.

117 posted on 07/22/2006 9:26:59 PM PDT by CzarNicky (In the magical land of unicorns there's no need for clothes.)
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To: Cacique

BTT


118 posted on 07/22/2006 9:33:43 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: SuziQ
No offense to your son, but I believe most young men nowadays don't bother getting married because they don't HAVE to. Back when you had to get married in order to have any sex with your girlfriend, men got married at a pretty young age, then, as they had kids, there was societal pressure to stay married.

Of course with the 'Free Love' era that began in the late 60s, all that began to change. 25 years ago, when my Daddy was still alive, he used to say, about the attitudes of young men, "Why buy the cow, when you can get the milk for free?" So it had begun to change even then.

That's why there was such a push for legalized abortion in the early 70's. All that 'Free Love' wasn't so free after all, and liberated women, and the young men who wanted to have sex with them, began to push for a chance to rid themselves of their problems. The ability to get rid of these kids started changing peoples' attitudes toward all children.

You hit the nail right on the head. This also makes me think of a woman who I once knew that had 6, yes, 6 abortions. She ended up dying at 41 from cancer--childless, relationshipless and very lonely and very sad. She was always talking about her dream job and the very rich man she was going to one day find. She was very self focused and very materialist--this was the exchange for all these children she killed. What a waste.

119 posted on 07/22/2006 9:36:11 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: CindyDawg

Oh yeah! Many young guys today specifically look for a woman who is going to have income potential as a mate. I have friends whose husbands pressure them to work, even though, as you said, the kids don't care about all the "nice things" the parents are working overtime to buy.


120 posted on 07/22/2006 9:46:44 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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