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New Deals & Old Answers. The key to the Democratic Party’s future may lie in its past.
The American Conservative ^ | July 31, 2006 Issue | James P. Pinkerton

Posted on 07/22/2006 6:38:42 AM PDT by A. Pole

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1 posted on 07/22/2006 6:38:48 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; arete; ...
Democrats have an ideology that dare not speak its name

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2 posted on 07/22/2006 6:39:52 AM PDT by A. Pole ("Gay marriage" - Karl Rove's conspiracy to defeat Democrats?)
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Well I see the Democrats have their 2006 Election slogan. Vote Democrat. We will take you back to the 1960s.


3 posted on 07/22/2006 6:40:57 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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Gee maybe they should try selling this to Joe Leiberman? You know the guy the Democrats are going to throw overboard this year despite his voting 90% of the time with the Leftist Democrat Party leadership?

This all makes really amusing posutring by the various Democrat Mouthpieces, only problem is their activist base is all ready mad at them for being TOO moderate!


4 posted on 07/22/2006 6:43:46 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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Bryan was more than just a candidate, he was a movement; his twin motivations were evangelical Christianity and progressive economics.

The Democrats will not embrace Christianity. Their abortion stance precludes this.
The Democrats will embrace progressive economics socialism, but this ideology has been refuted and is not a path to electoral success.

They search in the wilderness for a path forward, but they have neither map nor compass.

5 posted on 07/22/2006 6:46:48 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("He hits me, he cries, he runs to the court and sues me.")
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6 posted on 07/22/2006 6:53:38 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: MNJohnnie

We will take you back to the 1960s.

Exactly. Democrats are a tiresome oldies act, playing their hits of the past.

7 posted on 07/22/2006 7:31:03 AM PDT by RedRover
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The Jim Crow laws and Ku Klux Klan past of the democrat party? Is that what they mean???


8 posted on 07/22/2006 7:37:18 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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The Jim Crow laws and Ku Klux Klan past of the democrat party? Is that what they mean???

Well, they would like to take back any votes from the Republican Party.

9 posted on 07/22/2006 7:39:36 AM PDT by A. Pole ("Gay marriage" - Karl Rove's conspiracy to defeat Democrats?)
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Rush asked a question of a caller this week, something about the role of the universities and decline of Democrats. I know the answer and have been mentally formulating how to explain it. Let me give it a first go here. The title is Hyde Park vs Camelot, The real meaning of class warfare.

Commenting on the election recount in 2,000, Pat Cadell exclaimed "The party of my grandfather has been highjacked by gangsters." True, but how and when? The Roosevelts were an old line New York family that date back to Dutch colonists in New York. They produced two presidents and dominated American politic for most of the first part of the 20th century. They travelled in a society which observed very strict norms of behavior and social responsibility. men were to be gentlemen and character was important in a world where personal references mattered. Presidential candidates were chosen by conventions, famous for meetngs of leaders in smoke filled rooms. The famous coalition of Franklin Roosevelt was not just a coalition of interest groups, it was mainly an urban majority, and that required making deals with the devil, the bosses of the big city machines. It was the Pendergast machine that put forth Truman, Kennedy in Boston, Tammany in New York City, later Daley in Chicago. Franklin Roosevelt could overrule and minimize this rabble. Later they took over.

In Boston, Joe Kennedy first built a fortune illegally rum running during prohibition. He built a powerful political machine based on patronage. But he could not buy respectability or win acceptance in mainline Boston society. He was like Rhett Butler trying to make it in Charleston in Gone with the Wind, without the flamboyant wife. Roosevelt couldn't stomach his crass pushiness, so he made him ambassor to England to get rid of him. Kennedy devised a plan to gain the social acceptance he craved. He would subvert and undermine those institutions to get a son elected president.

First, he had to get around the power structure of the Democratic party with its bosses who met in smoke filled rooms and considered prissy subjects like character, morals, and behavior. They set out to win so many primaries that the nomination could not be denied. They also made deals with other big city bosses and union bossses who had unsavory connections the maffia underworld. So we got a president who had poor health and morals, because he had not really been vetted properly. And we got image makers who sold us a fantasy about Camelot and its brain trust of idealistic Harvard professors.

I went to Stanford in 1961, and after much reflection on what I experienced, I am convinced that this class warfare was not really about ideology. It was about social climbing a al Joe Kennedy. They were teaching a sociology that American society was controlled by WASP's and that was bad. The way to break that system was to use government. At Stanford the political science department recruited people to participate in the civil rights movement and to join the Peace Crops, a proposal that originated there. The purpose was really to divert the paths of the privileged undergraduates so that ambitious activists could get ahead. It was effective. The old order was elbowed aside, and the criminal element invaded government and industry. Fortunately, George W. Bush did not fall for it.

There's more, but that's all for now. Maybe your comments will help too.

In a nutsehll, Democrats are guilty of believing their own propaganda. If they want to fix what ails the party, they will have toi address the real truth.

10 posted on 07/22/2006 7:57:19 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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New Deals & Old Answers. The key to the Democratic Party’s future may lie in its past.

The key to EVERYTHING the Dems do is in the past. Within the next 10 - 15 years, they are expected to shift their focus to things that happened in the 1970s. But that's just a rough guess - they remain VERY enamored of the 1960s. It was a good time for them - JFK, LBJ, Vietnam, Kerry, Fonda, SDS, Black Panthers, student protests, college campus violence, Kent State . . . . . . nostalgic times for them!!!
11 posted on 07/22/2006 8:17:49 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: ClaireSolt
There's more, but that's all for now. Maybe your comments will help too.

Interesting theory. I'd love to chime in with some ideas, but mine don't begin to approach yours in either depth or perceptiveness. Your explanations of Joe Kennedy's machinations, however, make total sense. I look forward to reading the rest of your theory.
12 posted on 07/22/2006 8:25:01 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: A. Pole

long read bump


13 posted on 07/22/2006 8:25:52 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (To exercise your first amendment rights, go to college. To defend them, join the military.)
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The Left and the Democrats, influenced by Marxism over the last century, have absorbed much of the Marxist-materialistic worldview into their own worldview. All liberal intellectuals know that Marx declared religion to be the “opiate of the masses,” but perhaps they don’t know that in that same passage, from his Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right, Marx also reminded readers that religion is “the heart of a heartless world.”

What a good idea. When you need fresh ideas and help getting elected, go back to your original inspiration--Karl Marx.

14 posted on 07/22/2006 8:26:02 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: A. Pole; Sam the Sham

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15 posted on 07/22/2006 8:31:28 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Michael Savage for President - 2008!)
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TFP

Democrats are clueless in Washington. Abortion and the gay agenda make a suicide belt which they refuse to unbuckle. Their only wish is that the GOP will continue to FU and Bush may grant them their wish.

16 posted on 07/22/2006 8:56:57 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: ClaireSolt
Very interesting. I will have to think about what you've said.

Along these lines, I've been thinking about the notion of The Establishment. I was born in 1960, and all my life I've been told that The Establishment was a bad thing. My understanding is that this referred to: Old Money, Prep Schools, Blue Blood, Boston Brahmin, Old White Men, Country Club people. They were what was wrong with America, they were swept away by the Hippies, and now America is a more tolerant, more diverse society in which women and blacks are no longer oppressed.

And I'm quite curious about why The Establishment got such a bad reputation. It seems to me that this changed at about the time when the young Leftists were worshiping JFK. I think of him as being wealthy, Bostonian, Harvard educated, with a wife who worn Parisian couture. So how is that anti-Establishment??

But you point in a direction where the rise of JFK and the rise of an anti-Establishment viewpoint come together. Quite interesting. I will think about this. Thanks.

17 posted on 07/22/2006 8:57:36 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("He hits me, he cries, he runs to the court and sues me.")
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What’s wrong with the Democrats? Well, they became the neo-left, and as extreme liberals, left to their own devices, they threaten the very idea of America. Democrats believes that government is better for people than people are. I believe every time the government hands down a new liberal law it leaves for the rest of us a little less freedom. Democrats believe in free speech as long as it isn't conservatives free speech. In all honestly the new Democrats have become the stalinists party.


18 posted on 07/22/2006 9:05:38 AM PDT by FreeRep
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modern Democrats seem to have forgotten that they once owned the allegiance of “the Solid South.”

One cannot "own" allegiance, it can be earned or bought,
if earned it is strong, if bought fickle.
t.


19 posted on 07/22/2006 9:07:07 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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Here in Oklahoma we are having a state wide primary next Tuesday for both parties. When watching or listening to the ads for various candidates you can always tell which ones are Democrats. In their ads they never mention the party they belong to but instead describe themselves as "conservatives", "basic values Christians", etc. They know that the national image of the Democratic Party is not a vote getter in this state.


20 posted on 07/22/2006 9:30:57 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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