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This is a tough case. I don't have a lot of faith in alternative cancer treatments, but I also think the choice as to treatment should be up to this kid and his parents, as opposed to the state.
1 posted on 07/21/2006 5:00:45 PM PDT by Huntress
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2 posted on 07/21/2006 5:04:02 PM PDT by Huntress (Possession really is nine tenths of the law.)
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....but I also think the choice as to treatment should be up to this kid and his parents, as opposed to the state.
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The kid is a juvenile and the responsibility of his parents, not the state. Agreed.


3 posted on 07/21/2006 5:04:43 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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16 is old enough to make up one's own mind. Earlier rulings have allowed 12 year old Jehovah's Witnesses the right to refuse blood products-I fail to see how a judge can rule a near adult can be forced to accept medical treatment against his will. The courts need to be reminded that citizens are not state property.


4 posted on 07/21/2006 5:05:43 PM PDT by kaylar
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The government should not be doing this. It's not like the kid's parents are abusing him.


5 posted on 07/21/2006 5:05:57 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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The State Almighty...horse pucky.


6 posted on 07/21/2006 5:07:35 PM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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Your body is property of the state. Should you not care for it as they indicate, they will take matters into their own hands.

Never mind that doctors of 25 years from now will likely regard current treatments for cancer as barbaric.


7 posted on 07/21/2006 5:08:00 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does ibtz mean?")
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Chemo is an insane, evil form of medicine on the par with medieval blood letting. The bodies immune system is what cures cancer. You strengthen the immune system to get healed. You do not destroy it. Good God!
8 posted on 07/21/2006 5:08:48 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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A person's body is not the property of the state. While the treatment is stupid, the government has no right to refuse to allow the kid to go through with it so long as his parents consent.


12 posted on 07/21/2006 5:14:55 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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I watched an interview with this boy and his father. Neither one came across as a 'nut case' and frankly, I don't think this is any of the government's business in this case. If the boy was two years older, would we even be having this discussion?
I'm also concerned about the precedent being set. If we accept that the government has the right to order treatment, then I think there's a danger that we have implicitly acknowledged the government's right to deny treatment if it wishes to do so.


13 posted on 07/21/2006 5:15:18 PM PDT by trueblueconservative (social security and medicare: two more names for welfare)
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How can the government force someone to sign a consent ? While I'm not sure about this treatment it should be a parents decision. Funny though. 16 year olds can make other health care decisions according to the government (abortion/bc).
15 posted on 07/21/2006 5:17:33 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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This is just plain crazy!! How terrible that the government can force this on its citizens.


I have read many good things coming out of those clinics not to mention several friends who are doing great after going through the programs at several clinics in Mexico. That also goes for several clinics in Europe, too.

A friend with lung cancer and a friend with colon cancer are free of cancer after going the alternative route in Germany and in Mexico. This was years ago and they are both still doing great. Another little guy who was 3 when diagnosed with cancer was taken to Mexico and followed the program and he is fine. Another friend is doing well after following the treatment program from a Mexican clinic. Another friend went through everything the US had to offer, went down to Mexico as a last resort and he died anyway. So, you never know...but these 'officials' are WAAAAYY out of line!

Anyone who thinks that there is nothing to alternative medicine certainly hasn't done a lot of investigating into it. Including that moron judge.


17 posted on 07/21/2006 5:22:10 PM PDT by MTMS
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This is more about the rights of the state to control medical care, than the right of a child to live.

In truth no matter what the parents had chosen, if it is not the position of the state, it would be wrong. This would not normally be a moral conundrum, for we assume that there are certain rules made to protect the lives of children. But that is not the case any more; many parents who wish their ill babies to receive the best of care are being told that their babies must die because of "quality of life issues". So it is not about protecting the life of this child, it is about state control over health care.

Had this young man's parent's wished him to live in spite of chronic disability or condition, the state might decide that it would be "in the child's best interest" to take away "life support" or medical treatment that constitutes "heroic measures". Likewise, if the subject were a pregnant teenage girl, the parents would be told that they have no right to know or influence the child away from an abortion. So the moral conundrum in this case is nullified - this young man is not taking the official state mandated health care regarding his choices for his own life, so alternatives are forbidden.

This is about state control of health care, and about the will of parents and patients being ignored.


18 posted on 07/21/2006 5:22:52 PM PDT by dandelion
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Let's see....age 16.....if female, could have an abortion....could drive and put lives at risk, could decide which parent to live with if they were divorced....could come out as a homosexual at school, could have sex and make babies.....but the ALMIGHTY STATE knows which DOCTORS he should see for this.....how special. It's called a CHOICE, but ONLY when the STATE agrees!


19 posted on 07/21/2006 5:23:03 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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This make me more mad than democrats....


24 posted on 07/21/2006 5:36:44 PM PDT by dubie
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If I have a case of advanced cancer, my last thought is to spend my final days in a hospital be hooked up to a machine. Its my life, my body and my decision and not someone else's. The judge needs to butt out of this family's affairs.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em, Down Hezbullies.)

26 posted on 07/21/2006 5:41:24 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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As a physician I am skeptical of alternative cancer treatments. That said I am very skeptical of a government that feels like it has the right to make ones medical decisions. In my E.D. I cant treat a child without a parents consent. If it is a life threatening event and requires immediate intervention and the parents are not around I am covered by informed consent laws. But if a child comes in with anything else I can not touch him/her. Maybe now if I agree with a parents decision I can call social services. /sarcasm


29 posted on 07/21/2006 5:46:38 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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The clinic I think the boy is going to - has an excellent cure rate for many cancer types - with the chemo - he has a worse chance of survival than the natural treatment


34 posted on 07/21/2006 6:02:00 PM PDT by Zeteo (BLINK!)
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We don't have the freedom to choose medical treatment? A judge can make that call? That seems very very wrong to me.


40 posted on 07/21/2006 6:22:58 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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ping......


41 posted on 07/21/2006 6:24:34 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: Huntress; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; Mears; ..

Nanny State Ping.

I am not a medical person, but to me the choice of treatment should be up to the family or patient.

This is close to home for me folks, I live in Accomack County, and spend a great deal of ime in Chincoteague.........


42 posted on 07/21/2006 6:27:33 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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