The anti-smoking lobby's hidden agenda

United Pro Smoker's Newsletter ^ | June 12, 2006 | Klaus Rohrich

[SheLion]

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and on and on and on.........................jerk

[SheLion]

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[Seeing More Clearly Now]

People who fill others' breathing air with noxious cigarette smoke are totally selfcentered and selfish.

I used to come to point of tears when people smoked around me from the time I was a small child. Even a child's heathy body knows when it is being assaulted.

Insisting on smoking, despite knowing that one is making people choke, have trouble breathing and making their eyes water badly, and last, but not least and not solely, that they might be causing permanent damange, what these militant smokers are doing is a sign of their be leaders of the "me first" and "me last" generation.

This is not a liberal/conservative issue.

This is a golden rule issue.

[SheLion]

People who fill others' breathing air with noxious cigarette smoke are totally selfcentered and selfish.

I used to come to point of tears when people smoked around me from the time I was a small child. Even a child's heathy body knows when it is being assaulted.

Insisting on smoking, despite knowing that one is making people choke, have trouble breathing and making their eyes water badly, and last, but not least and not solely, that they might be causing permanent damange, what these militant smokers are doing is a sign of their be leaders of the "me first" and "me last" generation.

This is not a liberal/conservative issue.

This is a golden rule issue.

I'm going to ask you like I have ask others:

WHY DO YOU HANG AROUND ANYONE WHO SMOKES?  Don't HANG around smokers.  How easy can it be???!!!!

"Permanent damage?"  LOL  Boy!  Have YOU been easily swayed.

[SheLion]

MY links WORK!

NH: Free Staters kill statewide smoking ban

Smoking Ban Is Defeated in New Hampshire

State smoking ban- No way, say lawmakers

THE REAL FACTS OF THE SMOKING BANS IMPACT ON BUSINESS'S
The Facts

Smoking Bans Bad For Business!

[Seeing More Clearly Now]

No one whose throat chokes up around cigarette smoke chose to be there. They are not "hanging around" smokers. To characterize them as such is misrepresenting reality.

People who fill others' breathing air with noxious cigarette smoke are totally SELF-CENTERED and SELFISH.

I used to come to point of tears when people smoked around me from the time I was a small child. Even a child's heathy body knows when it is being assaulted.

Children don't get to choose where they spend their time.

People who walk into a smoke-filled space were not expecting this and when they have the choice, they flee quickly, as they would from a downpour or a tornado or even someone spraying chanel number 5 in their faces.

Insisting on smoking, despite knowing that one is making people choke, have trouble breathing and making their eyes water badly, .... what these militant smokers are doing is a sign of their being examples of a "me first" and "me last" generation.

This is not like the right to bear arms. Is people are so selfish that they insist on assaulting others, it becomes necessary for government to step in. Shame on you for defending what is indefensible.

The snide comment, "Why do you hang around smokers?" proves self-centeredness better than anything else these selfish people say.

This is not a liberal/conservative issue.

No one whose throat chokes up around smoke chose to be around the smoke.

Militant smokers think they are the only ones who count and to hell with anyone else.

No one whose throat chokes up around smoke choses to be there.

Fleeing from smoke is indeed what people do. Militant smokers know it, but don't care.

People who practice this behavior and can't help themselves, as people who practice other obnoxious physical behaviors, should do so alone without subjecting anyone else to it - not children, not fellow citizens, not even enemies.

This is not a political issues; it's a golden rule issue.

[at bay]

Since the anti-smokers have abused their side of the bargain, then all compromises between the two sides are no longer valid.

Yeah but didn't you always want to be the inconsiderate slob you now glory in being?

[Raycpa]

Talk about denial in action. The smoker says the data is true but the link is messed up, therefore I don't have to beleive it.

Almost as sound logic as "hey I know someone who died of lung cancer that didn't smoke", therefore smoking doesn't cause lung cancer.

[Raycpa]

Most efforts at smoking bans fail the first, second or third time. If you think you are "making progress" by stopping one or two bans then I suppose you think that smoking isn't harmful to the smoker.

The prior bans I posted are before the the Surgeon Generals report on SHS. After that report settles, the rate of banning will increase.

[Raycpa]

This is not a political issues; it's a golden rule issue.

The only golden rule these smokers have is the one that says he who has the gold rules. They want to use their buying power to put the poor bar and restaurant owners out of business. Many want to be tax cheats. Every issue is selfish based. For the most part, they only care about "private property rights" when it comes to smoking bans. After a ban, they could care less if the bar owner keeps his property.

The effect of addiction makes people very self centered and just like smokers don't see the effect of their smoke, they don't see their selfishness.

[SheLion]

No one whose throat chokes up around cigarette smoke chose to be there. They are not "hanging around" smokers. To characterize them as such is misrepresenting reality.

Then why are you putting yourself into that atmosphere? And not calling you a liar, but I never heard of any person's throat chokes up" from just breathing smoke. It must be HELL for your on the interstate. And don't you BB Q?????

People who fill others' breathing air with noxious cigarette smoke are totally SELF-CENTERED and SELFISH.
And there we have it folks! The real agenda shows up! SELF-CENTERED AND SELFISH. 

I used to come to point of tears when people smoked around me from the time I was a small child. Even a child's heathy body knows when it is being assaulted.

Assaulted? Well, many of us grew up in a smoking home and none of us as "children" thought anything about it. It was just a way of life. I know that MY immune system is much better off today because of my parents smoking. Taught my immune system to get tougher against the polluted air of today. 

Children don't get to choose where they spend their time.

Pity. It's a pity that you couldn't place a call to Social Services and they would have found you a nice foster home that was smoke free. heh!

Insisting on smoking, despite knowing that one is making people choke, have trouble breathing and making their eyes water badly, .... what these militant smokers are doing is a sign of their being examples of a "me first" and "me last" generation.

You are full of chit, you know it? DON'T HANG AROUND SMOKERS. WHEN YOU HAVE TO WALK THROUGH A GROUP OF SMOKERS HOLD YOUR BREATH AND WALK FAST. You are just a rabid anti-smoker. Admit it!

This is not like the right to bear arms. Is people are so selfish that they insist on assaulting others, it becomes necessary for government to step in. Shame on you for defending what is indefensible.

Necessary for government to step in? Yes, to protect whiny babies like you that came from a weak gene pool. Funny you aren't in a BUBBLE today!

The snide comment, "Why do you hang around smokers?" proves self-centeredness better than anything else these selfish people say.

"I'm" selfish? Well, I sure don't hang around YOU my FReeper friend. We shall never meet and you will never ever have to smell my smoke. 

You know who you remind me of? Greg on Yes Dear. He is allergic to EVERYTHING. And "I" am not allergic to ANYTHING! Wonder why that is!
 
No one whose throat chokes up around smoke chose to be around the smoke.

I want to know..............just WHERE DO YOU GO THAT YOU ARE AROUND SMOKE?????? You must not live out west. Gawd! Whatever would you do with all those fires and the air thick with smoke? WHAT WOULD YOU DO????? Say, you had to stay and protect your home. Now, how do you think you could do that since your throat is all "choked up?" Can you answer me that????

Militant smokers think they are the only ones who count and to hell with anyone else.

People like YOU made us militant! WE AREN'T TAKING YOUR GUFF ANYMORE.

No one whose throat chokes up around smoke choses to be there.
You said that already! heh!

Fleeing from smoke is indeed what people do. Militant smokers know it, but don't care.

"Fleeing." That's funny.

 "No, you should not have a "right" to smoke free air. Smoke was not an issue when our Constitution and Bill of Rights written and ordinances to control private businesses are an abuse of governmental power in any municipality, county, state or country where public officials attempt to legislate differently. SHS has not been proven in any studies. to be a health hazard and is clearly visible to those who do not want to be exposed to it. Charitable tobacco control organizations, telling the same lie repeatedly, do not make it the truth! Current ventilation methods are very capable of maintaining safer indoor air quality than we find outdoors. Tobacco is a legal product. As long as it remains legal, then consenting adults who choose to use a legal product on private property where the public does not have to go and employees do not have to work, have the "right" to smoke. Your nasal "rights" end at the perimeter of a private business' property.   If clean air were really a health issue we would all be walking, riding a bike or a horse and forbidden to drive an automobile. Airports would be non-existent to eliminate the quantities of jet fuel fumes exhausted constantly into our air.  If you do not want to get wet, you come inside out of the rain! If you do not want to breathe smoke in a private business, either buy the place and change it or use the sense you were born with and leave. Smokers represent over 20% of the population and accordingly represent a significant portion of the spending public. You do not have any more rights than they do. It is none of your business. If you don't like it...YOU go outside, or go somewhere else and mind your own business in the company of others who do not smoke."

People who practice this behavior and can't help themselves, as people who practice other obnoxious physical behaviors, should do so alone without subjecting anyone else to it - not children, not fellow citizens, not even enemies.

THEN STAY AWAY FROM AREAS THAT YOU KNOW SMOKERS WILL BE! CIGARETTES ARE LEGAL!!!!!!

This is not a political issues; it's a golden rule issue.

You said that already. Peat and repeat is all you know. What are you doing? Copy and paste? LOL

ummmm good!

[SheLion]

Will you leave me the hell alone? Tomorrow is Monday my FReeper friend. And I use that lightly.

It would be in your best interest if you forgot my name and just overlooked my posts.

There are plenty others in here that hate you that you can go after. I am not taking your diatribes anymore!!!

[Raycpa]

Sure, but the post that I responded to was one you posted to me. You initiated.

[383rr]

"People who fill others' breathing air with noxious cigarette smoke are totally self-centered and selfish"

HAHAHAHAHA.HOHO.HUMHUM.

Insisting that private business owners can no longer operate their establishment how they see fit wouldn't be selfish, now would it? Forcing your will on the rest of us isn't selfish either. Using the strong arm of the government to get it done is the Amerikkan way!

You all got people who choose to smoke threw out of about everywhere. No problem. Then, you b*tch, and moan, and throw a hissy fit if anyone is near the entrance to said building which they were threw out of.

No problem.
You are not selfish. How could you be? You only want everyone to bend to your will, you offer NO compromise, and you get upset when it don't go your way. You're not selfish.

Keep telling yourself that.

You stand for all that is fair, and just, and good in the world.

Keep telling yourself that.
You want everyone to live happily ever after, forever and ever amen, without ever seeing anything to offend your delicate sensitivities.

Keep telling yourself that.

But, you can quit telling US that. We gave in. We moved out of most places. But that is not enough for you.

Tell yourself it's not all about you. Go ahead. It's okay.

"what these militant smokers are doing is a sign of their be leaders of the "me first" and "me last" generation."

That's a good one, all right. Keep telling yourself that too. Who is assaulting everyone's right to make a choice, whether it be a business choice, or a personal choice?

Not me, man.

Who's the militant?

Not you, oh, no. You can not be a "ME FIRST,ME LAST". Absolutely not. You're not self-centered, you only want it to be the right way, the best way, your way.

In other words, you want the choices made to be the ones you make, and everybody should just play along.

Keep telling yourself that, too.


Glad I read your post. It really helped me See -More -Clearly- Now.

[383rr]

Do you have any advice as to how I could cheat a little more effectively on my Taxes?

Yours, truly
A tax cheating citizen.

[Gabz]

You have a wicked way with words, friend........bravo!!!

[383rr]

I have my moments; They are rare, though.

[Seeing More Clearly Now]

You ignore the point that no one - not children or adults or elderly - are ever choosing to find themselves in these smoke-filled places. You create them.

You blow off anyone who points out the obnoxiousness of befouling human spaces.

This is no different that leaving your excrement in public places because that's convenient and what you like to do and feel you should have that right because it's not outlawed by the Constitution.

Love for your fellow man and ethics are apparently not part of your upbringing or repertoire. "Obnoxious" comes from the word that means "poisonous."

The callousness of your response speaks for itself and makes my point.

Quid est demonstrandum.

[SheLion]

Sure, but the post that I responded to was one you posted to me. You initiated.

ahhhh poor baby............

[SheLion]

per your post #134