Posted on 07/19/2006 11:14:14 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
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I guess willful ignorance must be the answer to my previous question.
Unless you're trying (and failing) to be funny.
I said: "It's a biological fact that an organism's life begins at conception."
You said: "No, it is not a fact, it is still debated. If there was "fact" about when life begins, there would be no debate on abortion. But assuming that life begins at conception (which point in the conception process, BTW?) then explain when a twin's life begins. Were there two lives in that zygote before it split???"
Huh. Give me a citation for any scientist who claims life of any animal doesn't start at conception. What is the point of debate? That the fertilized egg isn't alive? It's DNA is certainly human.
On your point about the splitting and recombining of zygote: If a zygote splits, you have twins. Identical DNA, two individuals. If it recombines, you have conjoined twins. This is a continuum, for there have been cases of a twin (dead) inside another's body.
Zygote splitting doesn't really address the main issue: what does it mean to be human? My definition is human DNA and living. What is your's?
So sperm and eggs are also individuals?
If a Republican congress sends you a lousy bill (like THIS one), then it should be vetoed.
I do know that he has said he had spending parameters on the other bills and that the bills the Congress sent were within those parameters, so even though he didn't agree with all the spending, he didn't veto them.
It's CFR that is the exception, IMO. Never should have signed that........ever.
No apology necessary. Just what do you think he meant by the emphasized statement? It's a pretty strong --and anti-historical--inference to draw that he intended open borders. When one can take a general political statement and derive a meaning that is totally against other explicit things a man says, it's dishonest.
I've never seen such convoluted logic and dismissal of obvious facts in my life.
Keep the myth alive, jammer. It obviously makes you feel good.
Myself, I prefer dealing in reality and TRUTH.
Get back to me in 15 - 20 years when you're doing the same thing for President Bush.
It'll be fun for me to be correcting you with the historical facts of the Bush presidency while you're deifying him too. :)
Until then, enjoy your imaginary world..........just leave me out of it, OK?
I just don't see any thing I needed to apologize for--and nothing you posted to address any of my points--except that I couldn't recall his campaigning on open borders. I still have seen no evidence, despite your insults. What obvious facts were dismissed? I thought we could have a good discussion. I see now, we cannot.
The person who posted this is not interested in a civil discussion. The hyperbole and insults in it preclude that possibility.
Perhaps if you concede that a rational discussion can be had on the conservativism of George W. Bush relative to Ronald Reagan with rational people defending the conservatism of this President, we can start from ground zero.
But as long as you have the pre-set notion that I am irrational, and you have the grave misconception that President Bush is moral only in 'image,' we have nothing to talk about.
And since you don't seem inclined to apologize for this initial slam, I doubt that's ever going to happen.
Just remember this. Mythologizing Reagan in order to diminish Bush only diminishes Reagan.
The fable about the cherry tree didn't enhance Washington's true reputation, and defending Reagan's errors and dismissing his humanity won't help him either.
Reagan was a great President and a fine leader......... as is his political and moral heir, George W. Bush.
Have a nice life, jammer. And be exceedingly thankful that God, in His mercy, has given us two incredibly strong and righteous leaders in our lifetime.
"These boys and girls are not spare parts."
Amen to that, Mr. President! :)
Sanity beckons..........I'm outta here!
“...it makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss. Are great numbers of our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien invasion or are those illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won't do? One thing is certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be allowed if it results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters.”
From a Radio Address entitled "Apples," dated November 29, 1977.
I rest my case. Good day.
"So sperm and eggs are also individuals?"
After fertilization, yes.
You asked if 2 fertilized cells that fused together were 2 different individuals. My response was that after they fused, they became 1 individual, not 2.
You were not asking about fertilized eggs that fused, then seperated again. I would have answered that as a different situation, which it is.
If two individuals fuse to give one individual, what happens to the other individual?
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