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To: dsc
1. I've heard it from too many credible sources not to.
A source is not credible if it has no fact to back its claims. Where are the names, dates and numbers?

2. You really think Alan Keyes is a liar?
From the article:
"As a nurse at an Illinois hospital in 1999, I discovered babies were being aborted alive and shelved to die in soiled utility rooms. I discovered infanticide."
This, if it happened , is a felony. Did this "nurse" sign a criminal complaint? What is the name of the hospital? Name of the doctor in charge when this murder occured? Police report? Any verifible facts at all?

I don't know if Alan Keyes is a liar. He may be just a gullible fool.
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57 posted on 07/20/2006 8:19:24 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99

"A source is not credible if it has no fact to back its claims."

Absolutely wrong. A source is credible if it has a proven record of accuracy, regardless of what "facts" it may have in any given case.

I put "facts" in quotation marks because there are always those who will deny or assert anything as "fact."

"Did this "nurse" sign a criminal complaint? What is the name of the hospital? Name of the doctor in charge when this murder occured? Police report? Any verifible facts at all?"

You don't know much about life, do you?

"I don't know if Alan Keyes is a liar. He may be just a gullible fool."

Extreme skepticism is just the mirror image of gullibility. Both are folly.


60 posted on 07/20/2006 12:37:54 PM PDT by dsc
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To: mugs99; dsc

The practice of "live birth abortion," where babies who survive a botched abortion are intentionally left to die, is indeed a fact.

Bush even signed a bill into law, in 2002, to outlaw the heinous practice.

Yet even at least one Illinois hospital, the one Jill Stanek was fired from, had continued to leave the such babies to die after a botched abortion, as the press release from CWA exposed. There was even news during the 2004 Illinois Senate race that another dead baby had been found in the garbage of the hospital. Below is the 2003 CWA press release.




Is Christ Hospital Violating the Born Alive Infants Protection Act?

April 24, 2003

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Despite the recent passage of federal law defining the personhood of infants born alive, Christ Hospital still admits to being in the business of abortion but has become fuzzy regarding its now infamous practice of induced labor abortion, known commonly as “live birth abortion.”

Christ Hospital gained national attention in 1999 when it was publicly disclosed that it practiced a method of abortion that resulted in babies being aborted alive, and if aborted alive, they were left to die with no medical intervention. It is now known that the induced labor abortion method is practiced throughout the U.S. However, Christ Hospital was the first hospital to be publicly disclosed.

In August 2002, President George Bush signed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which gives legal status and protection to newborn infants, even those who have been aborted alive.

On January 22, 2003, Illinois Leader reported that Christ Hospital director of public relations, Mike Maggio, said he had no knowledge of the new law. He went on to say, “If there is such a federal, state or local law, I can assure you that Christ Hospital is obeying the law.”

In an April 21 Illinois Leader follow-up, Mr. Maggio hedged by saying, "Christ Medical Center and all facilities of the Advocate Health Care system follow all laws governing the practices performed there.” He added that he was now aware of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. When asked if the hospital continued to commit abortions, Mr. Maggio said, “Legal ones.”

Pro-Life Coordinator of Concerned Women for America (CWA) of Illinois and former Christ Hospital nurse, Jill Stanek, says she has been told by a hospital insider that there may be some shift by the hospital away from the gruesome treatment of leaving infants to die without medical care. This is welcome news, but because the hospital still admits to being involved in abortion, peaceful and prayerful vigils and protests will continue to spotlight abortions at Christ Hospital.

CWA of Illinois joins others at a planned prayer vigil Saturday, April 26, at Christ Hospital, 95th Street 2 blocks East of Cicero (95th & Kostner), Oak Lawn, from 2:45 until 3:30 p.m. The prayer vigil will feature prominent speakers:

• Pro-Life Action League president Joe Scheidler, who recently won an 17 year court battle in the U.S. Supreme Court RICO case, NOW vs. Scheidler;
• Father Frank Pavone, Founder and Director of Priests for Life;
• CWA of Illinois Pro-Life Coordinator and former Christ Hospital nurse Jill Stanek who exposed the practice of Live Birth Abortion and was fired.


71 posted on 07/21/2006 2:19:41 AM PDT by Gelato
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