Posted on 07/18/2006 11:24:14 AM PDT by george76
The Times report says “Children in public schools generally performed as well or better in reading and mathematics than comparable children in private schools.”
The actual study says, “In..both reading and mathematics, students in private schools achieved at higher levels than students in public schools.”
The only point at which parity is reached is in comparing poor children in public schools with poor children in private schools.
Which is hilarious because thanks to the Times’s hatred of school choice, there are no poor kids in private schools.
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It is really the best money that we have ever spent. We don't have much left over, but it is worth it. We won't have any money left for college, but live in Georgia where we have the HOPE scholarship. I told the kids that I will do whatever I can to find grants, scholarships and loans, but that they are one their own. Now I just have to keep voting for people who support HOPE. $2500 would be great. Our High school books are $970/year, without the classes. Yikes.
I bet that not many private school kids have to worry about being raped by their teacher.
Thank you for your welcome. It is most interesting here. I don't believe I've ever seen (or read) so many intelligent people in one place before.
Is Georgia's HOPE Scholarship different from the federal HOPE Scholarship?
What I found interesting about the article was that there was no mention of homeschooling. Could it be because academically speaking, homeschooling performs much better than either private schools or the government schools? Selective presentation of information at the NYT?...say it ain't so!
The NYT article was propaganda for it's political fellow travelers. You could have read the title on the article and gathered that. So what's new?
"Thank you for your welcome. It is most interesting here. I don't believe I've ever seen (or read) so many intelligent people in one place before."
It's a pretty good bunch. Plenty of disagreements, of course. But that's just the nature of the site.
BTW I didn't notice your FR date. A belated welcome to FR!
I agree totally.
My main reason for this thread was to try to point out that Pinch and the NYTimes are double speaking on this , as most topics.
With all due respect, I don't think they were. I think some people misunderstood what was said.
You might also be interested in today's editorial from the NYT.
Actually the study seems to have been commissioned by the U.S. Dept. of Education, not the NYT.
excellent article in last Saturday WSJ about the Mayor of Los Angeles - -
who has taken control of the LA School system to "improve it"
and who's children attend private schools
how Clintonesque
Yesterday when I saw this article, I called BS on it due to the fact that it's the NYT. Looks like I was right, but it's not as if figuring out the NYT is lying requires a divinely inspired prophesy either.
Currently most schools receive about 20% of what it costs to educate a typical special education student. Now, for low incidence kids like those with mild LD or mild-to-moderate ADHD, the extra expense is negligible. Your budget busters are those kids with severe needs either physically, mentally or emotionally. The school does not get extra money because a child is more involved.
In addition, if a child needs to be schooled off-site in either a residential or day-placement the expense SKY ROCKETS.
Why would a system bear that expense? That is how it is set up in this country. In most European countries the expense for residential placements is borne by the national government; in the US, it is a local issue. In our county, we have about a half-dozen kids in off-site placements. I know the cost of one only (because he came out of my school). His education costs the county $128k a year--yes, you read that right--a year. He is 15 and the county will be on the hook for him until he turns 22. He is severely autistic, retarded and violent and cannot manage his self-care issues. He cannot be educated in the school building as he is a danger to himself and others.
So yes, there is an inflow of dollars to a school for special education, but the extra money is not worth it. That is why there is currently a push (in some states) to move kids out of special education and into the mainstream. NCLB provides extra $$ for support and it is somewhat more than what they would get for special education
Also, don't forget the influx of illegals that are also educated at the public expense. Often these kids come with no federal dollars and the local taxpayer foots the entire bill.
Yes, it is different. If you graduate from high school in Georgia (I think you have to live in GA for a year), and you receive a 3.0 GPA or higher, your tuition, books and fees are paid for by the state. You still have to pay room and board, but the tuition is free as long as you maintain a 3.0 in college and you take at least 12 credits. It is paid for with lottery money.
Georgia has had the HOPE for 12 years or so. I think Zell Miller started it, but I am not positive. It has been a huge benefit to GA economically too. There aren't really any downsides to the program.
Hillary Clinton sent Chelsea to an exclusive private school.
So, what's her real beef with allowing ordinary parents, who aren't as rich as the Clintons, to get the same kind of education for their children?
Could it be that like many prominent Democrats, she's heavily reliant on the teachers' unions for money and manpower so she has to slavishly adhere to their positions on the issues even if the children suffer for it?
Bingo, that's exactly what her opposition to vouchers is really all about: protecting members of the teachers' unions from competition.
Thomas Sowell's "Inside American Education" documents numerous ways teachers attack parental authority.
Teachers have asked third-graders, "How many of you ever wanted to beat up your parents?"
In a high school health class, students were asked, "How many of you hate your parents?"
Wow! That sounds wonderful. No wonder you can just relax, knowing your kids college education will be taken care of.
Maybe I'll look into moving ;)
And what does the mayor know about improving schools anyway?
Then again, many of the educrats haven't done so well either.
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