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Mark Steyn: Before the white man came? War
Macleans ^ | 07/18/06 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 07/18/2006 7:45:03 AM PDT by Pokey78

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1 posted on 07/18/2006 7:45:04 AM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...

Steyn ping!


2 posted on 07/18/2006 7:48:04 AM PDT by Pokey78 (‘FREE [INSERT YOUR FETID TOTALITARIAN BASKET-CASE HERE]’)
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To: Pokey78
when Samuel Doe was toppled as Liberia's leader, he was served a last meal of his own ears.

Here's dinner Tookie?

3 posted on 07/18/2006 7:50:03 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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Good article. Thanks.


4 posted on 07/18/2006 7:50:44 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Pokey78

I remember a mention in an article somewhere a few years ago about a nineteenth-century memoir by a transported british convict who escaped in the 1830's and spent twelve years with the Australian aboriginies. According to him the clans were incessantly warring, almost none of the men lived to middle age.

Quite the contrast to the popular image of recent decades.


5 posted on 07/18/2006 7:51:37 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: Pokey78

Superb article.


6 posted on 07/18/2006 7:54:37 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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"Most archaeologists," says LeBlanc, "ignored the fortifications around Mayan cities and viewed the Mayan elite as peaceful priests. But over the last 20 years Mayan records have been deciphered. Contrary to archaeologists' wishful thinking, they show the allegedly peaceful elite was heavily into war, conquest and the sanguinary sacrifice of beaten opponents."

In the last 30 years archaelogists have decided that the cliff dwellings of the American Southwest, with their obvious defensive purpose, actually had nothing to do with warfare.

Apparently, after many centuries living in indefensible pueblos on the mesa tops, they just decided, for no particular reason, to move into the incredibly inconvenient but highly defensible cliff dwellings.

7 posted on 07/18/2006 7:55:14 AM PDT by Restorer
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Our modern history has been severely altered by the jihadist MSM including the AQTimes, from WWII to the present. Revisit almost any past issue with the knowledge that the AQTimes, along with CBS, Hollywood, etc. had a treasonous agenda, and the entire game unravels.

From Stalin to McCarthy to Nixon to Watergate to Reagan to Bush, the outright lies of the MSM have distorted our own understanding of the very world around us.

The head of the snake is the AQTimes.


8 posted on 07/18/2006 7:56:03 AM PDT by Stallone (Mainstream Media is dead. I helped kill it.)
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9 posted on 07/18/2006 7:56:14 AM PDT by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: Pokey78

recommending Mark Ritchie's "Spirit of the Rainforest" (again) for further thoughts along this line.


10 posted on 07/18/2006 8:01:15 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (dust off the big guns.)
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To: Pokey78

Keeley wrote a book called "War Before Civilization," which I read some years back, which covers this subject (doubtless why Steyn quoted him). It's an eye-opening dissection of the "noble savage" myth. Can't wait to read Wade's "Before the Dawn."


11 posted on 07/18/2006 8:02:08 AM PDT by harmodius
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Hobbes on man in the state of nature:

"No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."


12 posted on 07/18/2006 8:03:21 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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In reality, Pocahontas's fellow Algonquin Indians were preyed on by the Iroquois...

Some of my ancestors were the Huron, and the Iroquois did the same to them. Of course, our problem was that we allied ourselves with the French white men, who were not very good fighters even back in those days.

Of course, we were not as good of fighters as the Iroquois, so that may have had something to do with it.

13 posted on 07/18/2006 8:05:29 AM PDT by sima_yi
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Bingo. Hobbes nailed the nature of man better than all the pointy heads in the world combined.


14 posted on 07/18/2006 8:06:17 AM PDT by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: Restorer

When Einstein heard of Fermi's chain reaction, he said "now everything has changed except man himself." While civilization may have reduced our tendency to commit mayhem, it has also vastly increased our capacity to pursue it if we choose to do so.


15 posted on 07/18/2006 8:06:36 AM PDT by p. henry
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To: Pokey78

There has been war since Cain killed Abel. There is NO peace in the heart of ANY man, white, black or otherwise. Just like there will be no peace in the Middle East till God decides otherwise.


16 posted on 07/18/2006 8:06:45 AM PDT by cyborg (then comes baby in the baby carriage)
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To: Pokey78

Bump for later.


17 posted on 07/18/2006 8:06:55 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: Pokey78

REALLY good article.


18 posted on 07/18/2006 8:07:49 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: Pokey78; SunkenCiv

Bump and thanks for the marvelous Steyn ping, Pokey!

Sunkenciv, this seems right up your GGG alley. . .


19 posted on 07/18/2006 8:12:31 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult)
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After Braddock's defeat in the French and Indian War, young Washington survived, but the camp-follower women did not. One pregant young lady was dismembered, she and her infant thrown in a pot, and they were eaten. Historian Alan Eckert points out that they ate her a bit underdone because they were in a hurry.

The Indian in "Last of the Mohicans" who eats the heart of the English commander is not a bad portrayal of a lot that went on. (The whites had their moments, too, such as the murder of Chief Logan's family, and the massacre of the Moravian {Christian} Indians.)

The point is that they weren't pure and peaceful savages.

I understand that these traditions were totally rejected by one noble warrior who came on the scene and was disgusted by this behavior....a guy named Tecumseh.


20 posted on 07/18/2006 8:14:02 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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