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U.S. lawmen outgunned along Mexican border
WorldNetDaily ^ | July 17, 2006 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 07/17/2006 2:40:21 AM PDT by Man50D

Hundreds of rounds of automatic-weapons fire rained down on South Texas sheriff's deputies and Border Patrol agents from the Mexican side of the border as they investigated a horror story told by two American brothers who fled across the Rio Grande fearing for their lives.

Several Hidalgo County deputies and at least four Border patrol agents were met with a sustained hail of gunfire alternating from the south to the east and lasting nearly 10 minutes, the officers said.

Yet, not a single shot was returned by the deputies or the Border Patrol officers last Wednesday night because they were outmanned and outgunned – a condition increasingly common along the 2,000-mile U.S.-Mexico border, say law enforcement officials.

"This is one of the reasons that I do not allow my deputies to patrol the riverbanks or levies close to the river," explained Sheriff Lupe Treviño, "because we do know there are drug gangs and human trafficking gangs that will not hesitate to shoot in our direction to get us out of the area."

U.S. police officers and Border Patrol agents facing superior firepower from drug cartels, criminal street gangs and human smugglers based in Mexico? Yes, say law enforcement officials – and the situation is getting worse, not better.

Sigifredo Gonzales Jr., sheriff of Zapata County, Texas, recently testified in startling detail before a congressional committee how his officers are facing overwhelming odds in any confrontation with the criminal gangs who consider the border their turf.

"The cartels operating in Mexico and the United States have demonstrated that the weapons they possess can and will be used in protecting their caches," he said. "One informant familiar with the operations of these cartels mentioned to us that the weapons we use are water guns compared to what we will have to come up against if we ever have to. These cartels, known to frequently cross into the United States, possess and use automatic weapons, grenades and grenade launchers. They are also experts in explosives, wiretapping, counter-surveillance, lock-picking and GPS technology. They are able to monitor our office, home and cellular phone conversations. The original members of this cartel were trained in the United States by our government."

Gonzales was one of several law enforcement officials who testified before the Committee on House International Relations Subcommittee on International Terrorism and Nonproliferation on what they see as a serious terrorist threat at the Mexican border.

These powerful criminal gangs would not think twice about bringing terrorists or even weapons of mass destruction into the U.S. if the price was right, the officials agreed. Some of them believe they have already arrived.

"We continue to believe that terrorists have expressed an interest and a desire to exploit the existing vulnerabilities in our border security to enter or attack the United States," said Gonzales.

Some also believe that, for operational reasons, an undetected, illegal entry into the U.S. by al-Qaida agents, is preferable to a legal entry.

"For years we have seen individuals enter the country illegally," Gonzales testified. "However, recently, we feel that many of these persons are no longer entering the country to look for legitimate employment. We are now seeing that many of these persons are members of ruthless and violent gangs. All of us are concerned that the border with Mexico is being used as the front door to this country and that terrorists are already in our back yard."

He said many illegal immigrants from "countries of special interest" are attempting to blend in with the mostly Mexican population moving across the border.

"In May of this year my office received information that the cartels immediately across our border are planning on threatening or killing as many police officers as possible on the United States side," he said. "This is being planned for the purpose of attempting to 'scare us' away from the border. It is very possible these cartels may form the nexus, or have already formed one, with members of al-Qaida and other terrorist groups."

Gonzales mentioned that officers along the border have found many tell-tale signs of terrorist traffic – including Middle East currency and clothing and a jacket with patches from countries where al-Qaida is known to operate.

While officials in the U.S. continue to debate whether or not Mexican illegal immigration is good for the economy, Gonzales warns that a dramatic change in migration patterns has occurred.

"These immigrants are not the same as what we saw two or three years ago," he told members of Congress in a special hearing overlooking the border in Laredo, Texas. "Many of the immigrants have tattoos across their chest or back advertising what gang they belong to and demanding from the residents living along the border to use their phone or other necessities. They no longer ask for things but rather demand. These landowners, who have lived on their farms for decades, choose to move away from their properties."

Gonzales also says his officers have witnessed armed incursions into the U.S. from what appears to be members of the Mexican military.

"More and more we are seeing armed individuals entering our country through our counties," he said. "We feel that it is a matter of time before a shootout will occur. In the unfortunate event of a shootout, federal, state and local officers along the southwest border are not adequately armed. Compared to the ruthless and brazen and open behavior of the cartels we face, we are most certainly outmanned. In the event of a shootout, many casualties will likely occur. Federal, state and local officers all along the southwestern border are outgunned and outmanned."

Gonzales gets no argument from his colleague, Rick Flores, sheriff of Webb County, Texas.

"As open as our borders are to narcotics and human smuggling, so well-placed are these channels of contraband, that in the blink of an eye, people who seek entry with treacherous motives can easily pose as those who simply want a better life," he told the committee. "Our southern border is ripe for a terrorist pipeline – even assuming that not a single terrorist has infiltrated thus far, even assuming that we loack confirmation of Middle Eastern groups assimilating into the Mexican culture."


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To: AmericaUnited
The avgerage police officer has a 9mm and the average gangbanger/big drug dealers have mac-10's or other automatic weapons.

When I was a LEO, we had mini-14s and 12-gauges as well.

It's pathetic that the criminal element in Mexico can effectively dictate our border policy for us.

41 posted on 07/17/2006 10:40:31 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: Man50D
Call up the militia. Put them on the border. This is TEXAS. Civilians here own more armament than most Nation-States in Europe.

Heck, there are some shooting sports groups here that could probably take over Mexico if they took a mind to and had some legal/financial backing from Washington for ammo...

42 posted on 07/17/2006 10:51:17 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


43 posted on 07/17/2006 10:54:27 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Jameison

"What is lacking is the political will in the Bush administration."

I't more than the lack of will, securing the border is completely contrary to his agenda.

The House just opened. The Chaplin just said, in opening prayer,......


"And we comfort the alien in our welcome."



44 posted on 07/17/2006 11:08:04 AM PDT by Kimberly GG
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To: af_vet_rr
if we throw up a serious wall, illegals will still make their way in one way alive - through legal chanels or the other dead -as a result of theiir own bad choices..
45 posted on 07/17/2006 11:08:23 AM PDT by MrEdd (Bad spellers of the world - UNTIE!,)
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To: Man50D
"Yet, not a single shot was returned by the deputies or the Border Patrol officers last Wednesday night because they were out manned and out gunned"

Either they were ordered not to fire or they shame us all.

W
46 posted on 07/17/2006 11:16:08 AM PDT by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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To: Man50D
They're not outgunned, they just don't have the balls to fight back because political correctness has gutted the idea that we have anything worth defending. Read "Unrepentant Sinner" by Charles Askins for an eyeopening look at how the Border Patrol used to operate.
47 posted on 07/17/2006 11:17:36 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: WLR

This can only get worse. Nothing will be done to stem the drug trade , or the flow of illegals.


48 posted on 07/17/2006 11:20:43 AM PDT by fantom
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To: freekitty

"This makes you wonder why in the world do we bother having a homeland security"

To pacify idiots and double government "workers".

To bleed the public of assets through taxes and regulations and reduce the standard of living to 3rd world statis.


49 posted on 07/17/2006 11:23:18 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: af_vet_rr

"One of the biggest deterents is to remove the financial/economic incentives. That means removing the ability of illegals to work, which means putting people that hire illegals into jail, and making them and their companies face serious jail time."


You mean like ConAgra, Cargill, Tyson Foods, Pilgrims Pride, those that shut down during the May 1st boycott?

"Texas Governor George W. Bush's largest-single campaign contributer in 1992 was poultry magnate Bo Pilgrim, who served as Bush's finance chairman and stuffed more than $50,000 into Bush's campaign fund."

"Warren Staley, 62, chief executive officer of Cargill Inc., the largest U.S. agricultural company, which owns Excel, the second- largest meatpacker behind Tyson, has raised more than $200,000 for Bush's re-election campaign. That qualifies him as a ``Ranger,'' or one of the president's top fund-raisers.

Tyson Foods donated $101,000 to the Republicans and about $40,00 to the Democrats. Tyson also gave the Bush-Cheney campaign $5,000, the maximum limit under federal law, as did Smithfield Foods' political action committee Hampac. Richard Bond, Tyson's president, contributed $2,000 to the Bush-Cheney campaign, the maximum allowed under federal law. "

"Perhaps the reason Tyson Foods openly hires illegal aliens is that it's head honchos are tight with the Clintons and President George W. Bush."



http://www.populist.com/2.96.Chicken.html

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000176&sid=aoL24BJqb9Q0&refer=us_elections

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/14267.html


50 posted on 07/17/2006 11:25:11 AM PDT by Kimberly GG
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To: Man50D

bttt


51 posted on 07/17/2006 11:32:22 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: meyer
Is it really due to being outgunned, or because the deputies and border patrol agents are complacent - or worse, cowards?

I doubt that it is because of any of those reasons. IMO it is the Sheriffs Department lawyers advise due to recent decisions by some nutcase JUDGES ruling in favor of ACLU lawsuits filed on behalf of the criminal illegal alien border violators / invaders against American Citizens defending their property.

An interesting idea I had was to hold the trial on the bank of the Rio Grande. Let's see those commie ALCU jerks stand out there in the open where THEY can get shot at while they do THEIR jobs.

52 posted on 07/17/2006 12:42:33 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, Minuteman Project AZ 2005, Texas Minutemen El Paso, Oct and April 2006)
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To: gubamyster

These outrageous events will continue unless our American President finally gets up off his knees to Mexico and the globalists and starts representing American interests.


53 posted on 07/17/2006 1:11:24 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Man50D

This seems to be a common myth. I can't speak for local law enforcement but I know the Border Patrol has a lot of firepower that is available to them. Border Patrol Agents have M-4's and shotguns and in some cases M-14's that are also available. Despite the availability of good weaponry most agents just don't take advantage of it because they are too lazy. Some Sectors may also have restrictive policies on when and where agents can carry rifles. I carry an M_4 w/ACOG and 200 rounds of ammo.


54 posted on 07/17/2006 1:21:47 PM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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To: Ajnin
I carry an M_4 w/ACOG and 200 rounds of ammo.

The M-4 is great but the ACOG is just plain showing off... :-)

55 posted on 07/17/2006 3:21:32 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, Minuteman Project AZ 2005, Texas Minutemen El Paso, Oct and April 2006)
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To: Dead Corpse
This is TEXAS. Civilians here own more armament than most Nation-States in Europe

Heck, there are some shooting sports groups here that could probably take over Mexico if they took a mind to and had some legal/financial backing from Washington for ammo...


Unfortunately the Texan whose opinion counts the most doesn't share that point of view. He was born in my home state of CT and raised in your home state of TX. That maybe one thing we don't want to have in common.
56 posted on 07/17/2006 4:23:37 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax You earn it . You keep it!)
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To: Man50D
Yeah... damn shame it's in his JOB DESCRIPTION to police the border on top of everything else. You'd think anyone with a lick of sense during a War on Terror where the terror cells themselves are known for sucessfully infiltrating borders, that he'd spend a bit more time securing it and a bit less time sucking up to his pal Vincente.

Dunno... maybe that is expecting too much common sense.

57 posted on 07/17/2006 6:59:00 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: AmericaUnited
This is no different than same situation in every city/town in the US. The avgerage police officer has a 9mm and the average gangbanger/big drug dealers have mac-10's or other automatic weapons.

Strawman argument...

58 posted on 07/17/2006 7:07:02 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
No it's not. The point is this is the same situation in any major city in the US. A few criminals will have better firepower. The number of illegals crossing the border to the number of the incidents mentioned above is something like .00000001%. I would rather not be one of Farah's knee-jerking, non-thinking boobs.
59 posted on 07/17/2006 7:28:30 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Man50D

Why aren't we dealing with this the same way Israel is responding to incursions?


60 posted on 07/17/2006 7:37:57 PM PDT by ArcadeQuarters
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