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CA: Best way to teach English skills argued
Sacramento Bee ^
| July 15, 2006
| Laurel Rosenhall
Posted on 07/15/2006 11:00:12 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
One way that worked, both in the US and Canada, was to simply take the children away from the families and put them in boarding schools.
The parents don't usually like it, of course, but unlike the American Indians used to perfect this technique, the Mexicans came here voluntarily and knew what to expect.
They could take their complaints to the Mexican Congress I suppose.
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posted on
07/15/2006 11:03:15 AM PDT
by
muawiyah
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To: calcowgirl
To: calcowgirl
Just about every time the department of education appears in an article, I wind up thinking the children in this state (and across the nation) would be better off if every current staff member were fired, a moratorium of 24 months was instituted, and a whole new team were hired to start over again.
It's clear that the leadership of the education cabal in California is as anti-American as they can be. No matter what we do to try to put in place a solid program to get the (and let's be clear here, the Hispanic) kids up to speed with regard to English, the education people bastardize it short-circuiting any chance of it's success.
What do these idiots think kids will achieve with second class English skills? Of course they need to be taught proper English. What numskull couldn't understand that?
Now there's a move to morph the spelling of English words so they are more easy to remember. From one who is a terrible speller, I think that is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard. There is one proper way. That way should not be changed.
Those who think this nation won't change because of illegal immigration must be on crack.
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posted on
07/15/2006 11:16:17 AM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(Al Qaeda / Taliban operatives: Read the NY Times, for daily up to the minute security threat tips.)
To: calcowgirl
I would teach them how to read and write their native tongue and forget about English all together. Teaching them English only helps them to stay in this country. Learning their own tongue would not!
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posted on
07/15/2006 11:17:12 AM PDT
by
sinbad17
To: calcowgirl
A quick way to cut the numbers of non-English speaking students would be to not allow non-citizen students in public school classrooms. The United States should not have to spend tax dollars to teach illegal immigrants.
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posted on
07/15/2006 11:18:32 AM PDT
by
AD from SpringBay
(We have the government we allow and deserve.)
To: calcowgirl
The other side demands all children learn to read and write the same way, whether English is native to them or they're just learning the language. Immersion is the only way to go, kids are language sponges and learn quickly. The younger the better.
And the English learned will be proper English.
To: Admin Moderator
Thanks.
FYI...
I didn't "complete the excerpted article"--there were 500 words I didn't post--but I guess I did go over the word limit when including that last sentence in a separate post.
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posted on
07/15/2006 11:19:35 AM PDT
by
calcowgirl
("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
To: calcowgirl
Uh...how was it done for over the last one hundred years of American history? English only in schools and every where else public. Period. Amazing what that does and how well it worked. If they want to preserve some kind of ethnic heritage (as to why I don't have a clue; what does it mean to be an American? I thought it was to shed all that baggage from the sh%$hole you came from) then let them go to some Saturday class offered by their private community center or some such nonsense (all that does is make the parents happy). I don't get it; you are either desirous and proud to become an American, or don't come at all. We don't need people who want it both ways or just want the economic benefits and remain neutral or eventual enemies of America. Am I dense or what?_
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posted on
07/15/2006 11:20:16 AM PDT
by
john drake
((roman military maxim: "oderint dum metuant, i.e., let them hate, as long as they fear"))
To: AD from SpringBay
To: calcowgirl
The best way is to take English classes at the emigrant's expense in the home country while waiting for the proper (required) visa.
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posted on
07/15/2006 11:26:52 AM PDT
by
ncountylee
(Dead terrorists smell like victory)
To: calcowgirl
One way has been to teach the alphabet, followed by the parts of speech, followed by sentence (grammatical) structure, including sentence diagramming. I know that isn't the "groovy" way to teach anything -- by requiring that the students actually LEARN the fundamentals by rote -- but it worked for a couple dozen generations in the past. Generations that, by the way, included some of the most articulate, well-spoken men in history.
But what did THEY know ...
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posted on
07/15/2006 11:44:19 AM PDT
by
IronJack
To: Mike Darancette
Immersion is the only way to go, kids are language sponges and learn quickly. The younger the better. I'm with you Mike. From personal experience, when my wife and 8 year old daughter came here From Chile (legally) in the 70's, the only English the girl knew was "hamburger." She was put in a regular class with no ESL stuff. It was sink or swim. Half way through the school year she was fluent in English. At the end of the year, she had no accent. (Except for the word "yellow.") And this kid was no Mensa candidate. She flunked SPANISH in high school. Yeah, that's what I said.
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posted on
07/15/2006 11:57:55 AM PDT
by
navyblue
(at one.)
To: calcowgirl
A high-decibel debate among education officials, politicians and advocates of bilingual schooling that led to the recent yanking of funds from the state Board of Education boils down to one difficult question: How should California teach roughly a quarter of the state's public school population -- students who are not native English speakers -- how to read and write?
In the words of Algore: "The debate is over". The people of California settled this through direct vote. Of course for leftists issues are only settled when they get their way.
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posted on
07/15/2006 12:07:11 PM PDT
by
Hugin
To: calcowgirl
They've yet to develop specifics, but advocates say the approach would incorporate more pictures, written passages with simple syntax, common vocabulary and less academic English.See Dick run. See Jane run. See spot run. Run, Spot, run!
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posted on
07/15/2006 12:13:28 PM PDT
by
Just another Joe
(Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
To: navyblue
the only English the girl knew was "hamburger." That's a good start.
To: john drake
Uh...how was it done for over the last one hundred years of American history? I've posted this before:
My grandma taught 2nd grade in Delano, CA in the 1920's. There was a large influx of Russian families in the area at this time. The students passed from language-appropriate grade to language-appropriate grade at the rate of their own learning. Grandma had 15-year-old boys and girls pass through her classroom as they learned the language.
Since we no longer have control over the behavior of students, this might prove problematic. Maybe we should regain control over students' behaviors.
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posted on
07/15/2006 12:23:19 PM PDT
by
bannie
(The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
To: calcowgirl
WRONG! My kids were educated in the CA school system. The BIGGER question based on my experience shoud be "How should California teach roughly THREE QUARTERS of the state's public school population -- students who ARE native English speakers -- how to read and write? The schools are failing these kids, too.
To: Mike Darancette
...the only English the girl knew was "hamburger."That would at least get her served at Ginos in Philadelphia!
As I recall, "hamburguesa" was the first Spanish word I learned when I worked in Santiago, Chile a long time ago.
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