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Hizballah Brings out Iranian Silkworm to Hit Israel Navy Corvette
DEBKA file ^ | July 15, 2006, 1:37 PM (GMT+02:00) | DEBKAfile Exclusive Military Analysis

Posted on 07/15/2006 4:21:36 AM PDT by Oeconomicus

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To: Fury
I know people right now who are having alot of financial problems due to gas prices and can't imagine what it will be like if gas prices goes higher. Where my husband works which deals with the automobile companies they are on 4 days a week due to a lack of business. With higher gas prices I could very well see people losing their jobs including him. That would be devastating for us since just 3 years ago he lost his job and we have never really recovered.
161 posted on 07/15/2006 9:16:05 AM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: Mashood
If the missile came in from th stern as has been reported, it never had a chance to engage. It is on the bow of this vessel.


162 posted on 07/15/2006 9:59:15 AM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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To: sam_paine

I give up trying to post pix.


163 posted on 07/15/2006 10:01:16 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Jeff Head

Yea, not sure of the configuration of the Israeli corvettes.


164 posted on 07/15/2006 10:04:36 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: rahbert
there isn't much for a precision weapon to strike on the Lebanon coast. Likely these C802s are fired from a temporary position, then the crew and launcher scoot.

These missiles have to be transported from their storage areas to their firing points. Even if they are moved at night, Israel should be able to detect them with her air assets and FLIR technology. The thing to do is track them back to the source and eradicate the "nest".

I've heard nothing about any anti-air capability the terrorists might have; I'd have expected a few Israeli warplanes to have had some (at least) near misses from SAM launches.

Any traffic larger than an auto moving at night should be a legitimate target for the IAF.

165 posted on 07/15/2006 10:07:43 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: zarf

Yes, that is one of several lessons.

1 Never underestimate your foe
2 Never Overestimate your own force
3 Battleships would be nice to have around (anything short of a nuke would bounce off)
4 Iran may have some missiles that jam our radar
5 DEBKA was more correct than not on this story, but some (not talking about you) will overlook it.



166 posted on 07/15/2006 10:41:31 AM PDT by Paperpusher
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To: Jeff Head
This engagement will be analyzed by both sides...one to prevent, and one to exploit and represents a serious threat to our own shipping in the GUlf from Iran.

Several commentators, including Bernard Lewis, have stated that the aura of 1938 is in the air. A FR post recently compared the present war to the Spanish civil war.

I think your comment above leads one to concur with the latter.

Iran is doing a test run of weapons and strategies for what they think is coming. They are war-gaming for The Big One.

167 posted on 07/15/2006 3:11:45 PM PDT by happygrl (Proud member of the Enemies of Islam list)
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To: Kent1957
3 Battleships would be nice to have around (anything short of a nuke would bounce off)

I expect the last Captains of the Prince of Wales, the Repulse and the Yamato, would beg to disagree.

168 posted on 07/15/2006 4:53:02 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Kent1957
4 Iran may have some missiles that jam our radar

Doubtful. They might however have a home on jam mode that homes in on ship based jammers trying to jam it's radar.

169 posted on 07/15/2006 4:54:21 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Strategerist
he C-802 is an Exocet/Harpoon knockoff.

More like the Harpoon, since the Exocet is powered by a solid rocket motor, while the Harpoon and C-802 use a turbine engine (as does the most recent version of the Exocet). All have about the same speed and warhead weight.

170 posted on 07/15/2006 5:00:18 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Strategerist
As noted, the worthless morons at DUMBKA incorrectly proclaimed the C-802 is in the "Silkworm" family possibly because that's the only ASM they've ever heard of. That's akin to proclaiming that the F-16 is in the "B-52 Stratofortress" family.

Well, not quite that bad, more like a the F-16 is in the F-102 family.

171 posted on 07/15/2006 5:10:22 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Jim Noble
You are a scary guy.

I simply agree with your assessment here.
172 posted on 07/15/2006 5:13:20 PM PDT by Radix (This vacation is almost over.)
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To: Jim Noble
Quite correct.

The Red Chinese take a long view of history and have shown the willingness to sacrifice the comfort of millions of its people to achieve a goal.

173 posted on 07/15/2006 5:24:21 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (Politicians are like diapers. They need changed often, and for the same reasons.)
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To: Jeff Head
one got through and mission killed the vessel

It hit the vessel, or had a near miss. It did not sink it, and killed 4 sailors out a crew of 60 or so. The hit was on the helicopter deck and the fire was likely the jet fuel for the bird. Some internal ship systems damaged as well.

174 posted on 07/15/2006 5:26:08 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: JoeDetweiler

That a great idea! we should steal their missiles and blow up their mosques with them!(yeah right.)


175 posted on 07/15/2006 5:35:13 PM PDT by cavador
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To: Dave Elias
Not to mention highly implausible if not unfeasible given the Silkworm is an anti-ship missile.

Well, if the guidance system fails, no way to tell where it might end up.

It would be hard to tell the difference between a C-802 hit and a Harpoon or SLAM hit though (SLAM is land attack variant of the Harpoon).

176 posted on 07/15/2006 5:43:57 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: justa-hairyape
those Iranian Super Cavitating Torpedoes

Doubtless (yet another) courtesy of the Russian Pucker, Futin.

177 posted on 07/15/2006 6:04:05 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: El Gato

...and it had to leave the AO, being towed, or very slowly making its own way back to port for repairs, thus mission killed.
<p.
But it will fight another day, and will probably have a bit in its mouth when it comes out of the yards.


178 posted on 07/15/2006 6:36:42 PM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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To: KyHammer
Does this mean the phalanx system wasn't turned on? Why wouldn't they keep that on all the time?

Because it tends to shoot things you don't want shot. That nearby Egyptian vessel for example.

179 posted on 07/15/2006 8:00:54 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Jim Noble
There are only 4 ships on the planet that can force the Straits of Hormuz.

Even an Iowa class battleship is vulnerable to 500 kg warheads or even lighter ones that utilize a "terminal pop up and dive" maneuver. Ask the Prince Of Wales, Repulse or Yamato captains, no different than an aircraft attack, except the guided missiles are more like a much faster kamikaze carrying a large bomb.

OTOH, a couple /three carrier battle groups can stand off outside of missile range and pound the snot out of the missile launch sites, the command and control facilities, and logistics routes. Or they could have some help from a few BUFFs, Bones, or Stealth fighters. Oh, and a few P-3s to sweep up the Iranian Subs, (those alone, if they could make them work, could easily sink one of the Iowas, assuming they could get close enough, which is highly unlikely.

180 posted on 07/15/2006 8:19:12 PM PDT by El Gato
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