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To: no-to-illegals
That part about the Vatican and the Jews is pure incediary device.

First of all, many American Jews do not support Israel (Hollywood and the Left to name two general areas), secondly, the Vatican is not anti-Jew nor anti-Israel (I am not Catholic BTW), thirdly, while the Vatican may be saddened by the deaths in Lebanon, they are equally sadden by deaths in Israel (I suggest there has been some selective and biased reportage). Lastly, the Pope isn't going to throw his weight (and it is great indeed in a moral sense...he's a great man) behind any side of a war unless one side is clearly identifiable as "purely evil."

IMHO, of course.

24 posted on 07/14/2006 3:48:03 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies
Lastly, the Pope isn't going to throw his weight (and it is great indeed in a moral sense...he's a great man) behind any side of a war unless one side is clearly identifiable as "purely evil."

Is there a better description for Hizbollah, Hamas, and all of fundamental Islam than "purely evil"?

39 posted on 07/14/2006 3:58:47 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: Dark Skies

"Lastly, the Pope isn't going to throw his weight (and it is great indeed in a moral sense...he's a great man) behind any side of a war unless one side is clearly identifiable as "purely evil."

Got to do a lot of consultation on this one I'm sure.


68 posted on 07/14/2006 4:18:34 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (Largest oil reserves in the world found in Colorado and Utah. Oil shale.)
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To: Dark Skies; All

I found this paragraph from a Google search.

Here's the link:


http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=85353&d=15&m=7&y=2006

Here's the paragraph from the link:

The Vatican also issued an extremely critical statement deploring Israel’s attack on Lebanon. “The right of defense on the part of a state does not exempt it from respecting the norms of international law, especially when it concerns the protection of the civilian population,” Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Angelo Sodano announced on Vatican Radio. “The Holy See deplores the attack on Lebanon — a free and sovereign nation,” the cardinal said, noting that he felt “close to the people who have already suffered in defending their independence.”


79 posted on 07/14/2006 4:25:25 PM PDT by musicman
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To: Dark Skies

That's how I would read it, Dark Skies...The vatican would particularly like both sides to be honest and dialog in ways that let each side live. Ain't going to happen in this point in time.

Their job is to deplore needless loss of life. But you can't make people tango who won't. It still takes two.


119 posted on 07/14/2006 4:45:13 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Dark Skies
"Reporting" is always the problem. The Pope, as a consequence of his job, is always going to be on the side of non-violence.

The nature of the job could change, though, under a variety of circumstances. A Dark Age, for example, might well motivate popes differently.

The fact that this pope is German may be significant, but not from the standpoint of antisemitic sentiment. He's of the age of German people who came to adulthood with their nation down around their ears, with people eating out of garbage cans, sleeping in hovels built out of rubble, and little prospects of having a decent future.

Years ago I spent time in West Germany in the Army. One of the things that impressed me was that in every city or town, or even village, there seemed to be a part of town set aside exactly like it looked at the end of WWII as a kind of reminder. A lot of people didn't want anyone to forget what happened.

Then, in the little town where I was stationed, over near the main bicycle shop, there was a modest memorial. It had the picture of every person of that town killed in the war.

Small village ~ large remembrance ~ Juden, Soldaten, and others ~ that's what it said. They named an awful lot of people. Some of them were pictures of children.

This particular Pope came of age in that environment. No doubt he's going to reject violence. No doubt the "newsies" will seek to misrepresent him in the worst light ~

194 posted on 07/14/2006 6:34:40 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: Dark Skies

"That part about the Vatican and the Jews is pure incediary device."

Agreed. So incendiary that I suspect it is planted for a good reason, the smoke of war takes many forms and it can be a shield.


263 posted on 07/15/2006 6:51:19 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Dark Skies
"behind any side of a war unless one side is clearly identifiable as "purely evil.""

It is and he isn't. So sorry, your claim has been falsified.

274 posted on 07/15/2006 7:28:42 PM PDT by JasonC
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