Posted on 07/14/2006 9:22:53 AM PDT by presidio9
Are you implying that all those of us in our 40s and 50s had irresponsible parents, because the predominant number of us were born to mothers who smoked?
The prevalence of smoking has declined drastically since the mid 60s, yet there seem to be far more behavioral problems among children of today than of that era.
I have long believed that. I've had far too much first hand, in person, experience with these people to not.
That blob in the womb becomes a toddler? And it matters what the woman carrying the blob does to it?
I don't smoke, but I'm 100% on your guys side here.
That being said, I work across the street from Ground Zero. The air is pretty bad to begin with down here, what with the ridiculous congestion of taxis, buses and 17,000 arabs selling hotdogs, shish-kabobs, falaffel, and indeterminate "food" items. Today it is again over 90 degrees with high humidity. In other words there is no air. Its hard to breathe. So, it sort of does get on my nerves that I have to go through the final cloud of smokers every time I enter and exit the building. Why do you people feel like you have to stand two feet from the door? Of course this could be solved if they allowed offices to have smoking rooms, but until they do, if it isn't raining, why not move ten or fifteen feet away and let the non smokers through. It might cut down a tiny fraction of the hostility.
That was my first reaction, too. =^)
Please read my comments in post #50.
I always hated (and was my worst subject) statistics in College
Me too. The only class I had to repeat. I got a D and Florida State did not allow a D so I took it again with the same professor immediately and I think he pitied me and gave me a C-.
Anyway, the more important question is when did these MF'er start calling a baby in the womb a baby? I hate them because they never call it a baby except when it pleases their position. I have no respect for these folks AT ALL!!!! I know hate is a strong word and could be a sin, but I will risk it over the murderers!!!!!
I believe the mother's around.
Very little was known about the dangers of cigarette smoking during pregnancy back when people now in their 40s/50s were in the womb. Now that plenty is known, and cigarette packages carry warnings, and obstetricians make sure their patients are aware of the dangers, it really is only irresponsible women who smoke during pregnancy. While (as I noted) this "study" offers no evidence whatsoever for a causative effect of in utero smoke exposure on subsequent behavioral traits, other types of harm to a fetus caused by maternal smoking is well-documented.
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/293/10/1286
This is where non-scientists (and crappy scientists) often get into trouble. It's easy to confuse cause and effect.
It might be that what is implied here is true. It might also be that mothers and/or fathers of these kids were themselves unruly toddlers, and the same characteristic that made them unruly made them more likely to smoke. Then they had children who shared their traits.
In other words the smoking might be the result of the "unruly" characteristic, rather than the cause of it.
Without a much more careful study, there is no way to tell.
We appreciate it.
I worked at 1 Wall Street (corner of Broad and Wall across from Trinity Church) back in the day when we could smoke in our offices and most of in my office did smoke.
As a native NYer, I'm fully aware of everything else you describe.
In nearly 30 years of working I have never had the misfortune of working in a non-smoking environment, however I do understand both the position of the smokers, and the non-smokers, when it comes to the smokers outside the entrance to buildings. Unfortunately it is completely the fault of the non-smokers who insisted there be no breakrooms for smokers in the buildings and then scream when the smokers do take their breaks to have a smoke.......the smokers don't have the time on their limited breaks to walk too very far away.
If they are ever allowed back inside, and eventually I believe they will, all the problems will be solved.
Now with that said, my husband and I and our (typical) 8 year old are on our way out for the afternoon to meet up with friends and their kids. The establishment where we will be spending the afternoon is family friendly, smoker friendly and sits right on the water on beautiful Chincoteague Island, VA.
I will pick this up when we return...y'all have a pleasant afternoon.
It's a wonder any of my generation are still alive and lucid.
The first time I went to the dentist, circa 1954, the dentist polished a penny, coated it with nice shiny mercury and handed it to me.
I put it in my pocket and carried it around for days.
My leg swelled up under my pocket and I got some cream to apply.
Can you imagine what would happen if that happened today?
What with lead paint, leaded gasoline, nitrites, oleo margarine, lard, sugar, cigarette smoke-first and second hand, suntans, arsenic laced pest poisons, DDT and on and on, it's a wonder the human race is still here.
Oh, and artificial coloring
These poor guys are all going to be unemployed when the last pregnant women goes smoke-free.
Thank you for calling me an irresponsible woman..........I appreciate your insults.
how can they determine it is ONLY tobacco smoke, and not other types of smoke that men women and children breathe in on a daily basis?
For that matter, what makes us think it is only smoke? Perhaps it has more to do with the genetically engineered food we consume, or the additives that are now so prominent in all our food? What's in those additives anyway?
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