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To: robertpaulsen
Federal law applies immediately.

But Amendments are special cases apparently. There are no "collective" Rights as the numerous quotations by the Founders have proven time and time again. No where else in the Constitution, or historical documentation, is the theory of "collective Rights" espoused in any manner.

Only in your liberal court decisions designed to REMOVE the protections for the Rights that stand in the way of a collectivist State is such a fiction found.

And you cheerlead this fiction. This makes you a troll in my book and not worth conversing with.

52 posted on 07/13/2006 11:48:12 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: Dead Corpse; robertpaulsen
paulsen:
I'm saying Emerson was the only case heard at the federal circuit court level that said the second amendment protects an individual right.
Every other federal court,
especially the 9th circuit, has ruled it protects a collective right in every case they heard.

There are no "collective" Rights as the numerous quotations by the Founders have proven time and time again.
No where else in the Constitution, or historical documentation, is the theory of "collective Rights" espoused in any manner.
Only in your liberal court decisions designed to REMOVE the protections for the Rights that stand in the way of a collectivist State is such a fiction found.

And you cheerlead this fiction. This makes you a troll in my book and not worth conversing with.

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Well said DC. Perhaps there should be an alert:

---Caution--- This is a 'Collective Rights and Majority Rules' cheerleader speaking.

56 posted on 07/13/2006 12:21:59 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Dead Corpse
"But Amendments are special cases apparently. There are no "collective" Rights as the numerous quotations by the Founders have proven time and time again. No where else in the Constitution, or historical documentation, is the theory of "collective Rights" espoused in any manner."

The RKBA protected by state constitutions is an individual right. If the Founders, or any others, were talking about individual rights, they were referring to their state.

The second amendment only applies to the federal government and the laws Congress writes. The second amendment has nothing to do with individuals' RKBA. That right is protected by your state constitution.

"And you cheerlead this fiction"

Nope. I merely state the facts. You don't like the facts, and would like to stick with your fantasy.

You would have the people just sit back, telling them the second amendment will protect them. You're more dangerous to gun owners than Sarah Brady with that ignorant thinking.

57 posted on 07/13/2006 12:27:47 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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