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To: Don Joe

Would the computer part be possible if the ISP's were to become involved?

Perhaps they could require a particular software application to be installed as part of their required connection software bundle. AOL is legendary for their hideous software requirements.....and AOL customers probably wouldn't even notice the addition of such an app.

I hadn't heard much screaming and gnashing of teeth from ISP's when the news about the Carnivore system came out some years ago....they went along with that like good little sheep.


27 posted on 08/12/2006 9:01:42 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
Real ISPs don't have a "required connection software bundle."

I connect via Windows built-in PPP/TCP-IP networking. No software from my ISP. (Yes, they do have a "quick start" type CD available for newbies to help them get their networking set up to dial the right number, set up the right DNS, etc., but it's nothing mandatory, nor is it necessary.)

There is absolutely NOTHING that my ISP can do that would result in a video window popping up on my screen. Period.

As to Carnivore, that's a server-side "box" (as I understand it, a laptop, with a network card running in what is called "promiscuous mode", which means that it does NOT ignore packets not addressed to it). Basically, it sits on a shelf, with a single plug-in, and montors all traffic on the network. Insidious, sure -- but, "it's the law", and the ISP has no say in it.

That's neither here nor there vis-a-vis what's being touted in this latest announcement, though.

The only way they can accomplish what they are describing is to force each user to install an executable -- a server app, which sits on a port and listens for its "wake up call".

And, of course, once you let someone put an executable on your computer, he "owns" your computer. He can do anything with it that he likes, including keylogging, monitoring, reporting, etc.

Frankly I don't see this ever happening. The outrage would be unprecedented. Everyone from EFF to ACLU to LPUSA would pitch a bloody fit over it, and for good reason.

As I said before, I think it's nothing more than some blue-sky twaddle some mid-level bureaucrat whipped up in his Powerpoint presentation, with no consideration given to the realities involved in implementing something of that grand scale.

The Peter Principle has never been revoked, and it sure looks like whoever cooked up this scheme has risen nicely to his level of incompetence, if he really believes that computers can (short of hacking/cracking) be made to behave the way he describes.

28 posted on 08/12/2006 8:56:44 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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