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To: EagleUSA

In continuing this overheated rhetoric on immigration, we simply give the DUmmies more ammunition with which to load their cannon.

No one wants to reward lawbreakers, but, to conflate illegal immigration to an invasion and a conspiracy is to demonize a group that has come to the US for the very same reasons that all other immigrant groups in the past have. To accuse GW of treason on the scale ( or surpassing it ) of the philanderer in chief is also taking a great deal of license with the truth. GW has always wanted to comprehensively reform our immigration system, and he is sincere in his desire, not trying to subvert the country in any way.

This issue raises passions, and rightly so. To lay it all at the feet of the president is wrong, however, and overlooks all of the positive good that has been accomplished by this man. He reminds me more of Lincoln every day, and I think that history will bear me out.


33 posted on 07/11/2006 2:30:06 PM PDT by LurkLongley (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam-For the Greater Glory of God)
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To: LurkLongley

"In continuing this overheated rhetoric on immigration"

Overheated? No, not heated enough.

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"To lay it all at the feet of the president is wrong, however"...

No, we are just laying at his feet, what HE is doing/done.

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"No one wants to reward lawbreakers.."

Wrong. The President and half of the Senate does.

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"and a conspiracy is to demonize a group that has come to the US.."

No need to demonize criminal lawbreakers. They have done that themselves and should be punished for it.

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"not trying to subvert the country in any way"

Rewarding criminality and setting a legal double standard for those who must obey the law, is most certainly a subversion of our Constitutional republic and its code that all are equal under the law.








34 posted on 07/11/2006 2:44:46 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: LurkLongley
This thread is about La Raza. Did you even bother to read the entire article? I'll give you a quote:

"El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan" (The Spiritual Plan for Aztlan):

"In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. ...

Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. ...

We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada."

That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal rights for all. It says: "For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing."

These immigrants have nothing in common with my Italian relatives who came here via Ellis Island and longed for assimilation. La Raza is a hate group..not a rotary club. I'm very disappointed our President doesn't see it that way..

sw

35 posted on 07/11/2006 2:51:53 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: LurkLongley

I agree W has done good in handling the GWOT and with the appointment of judges. However, when he stated he was not going to enforce the laws he has sworn to uphold it was at that point I saw a morality comparable to WJC.


36 posted on 07/11/2006 2:54:05 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: LurkLongley

Well, if history doesn't bear you out, maybe we can find a stretcher... Seriously, do you really think Dubya has a coherent plan in his brainpan concerning immigration, legal or otherwise? The man is a jackass. Sorry to upset his legion of cheerleaders, but a "commander-in-chief" who will not protect the southern border of his own country for fear of offending Vincente Fox or, even worse, the silk-stocking scumbags who benefit from illegal labor should expect charges of treason to be leveled against him. Not that the blatantly traitorous dems are any better, but this fuzzy little internationalist who rose to and retained power due to the efforts of his social conservative base has been a tremendous disappointment. Clueless Georgie. Jees. America is more than your billionaire cronies, schmuck. I wish you'd pay more than lip service to the people who put you(back)in office in 2004...


37 posted on 07/11/2006 3:07:32 PM PDT by infidel dog (nearer my God to thee....)
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