Posted on 07/10/2006 1:39:16 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
President Bush will likely cast the first veto of his presidency if the Senate, as expected, passes legislation to expand federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research, White House aide Karl Rove said today.
"The president is emphatic about this," Rove said in a meeting with the editorial board of The Denver Post.
The U.S. House of Representatives has already passed the legislation, co-sponsored by Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Denver, and Rep. Mike Castle, R-Del. If the Senate approves the bill this month it would go to the president's desk.
(Excerpt) Read more at denverpost.com ...
It's very difficult to have two sides to an issue, without a middle. My stand is in the middle, as I believe most things are relative.
You agreed with me that the taking of a human life is relative, so I think the discussion went well. Thank you
You think it 'went well' because you said nothing about anything, and I admitted nothing remotely close to what you implied I admitted.
You have very low standards, I guess. Very culturally appropos.
Nice being in the land of murk with you.......I guess. Have a tolerable life, relatively speaking. Keep those standards mediocre!
Yes, you may call me Cheeck Blob. That's funny.
Then may I also tell you that you have a cheek blob that only a mother could love? :)
Not sure why you're thanking me but you're welcome anyway. :-}
Do you realize how foolish this is getting? Now you are arguing a different point. You apparently know you have lost on the original argument and are now trying to skew off on another tangeant to make it look like your argument still has life. It doesn't.
Nice!
"If every effort were really made to prevent collateral damage, then the damage would not be inflicted and it wouldn't happen at all."
How naive. We can not prevent our soldiers, sailors, etc from being killed in accidents in and out of war, but you think we can prevent all collateral damage, and if there is any collateral damage we just don't want to prevent it bad enough.
"Holy cow... you actually think that?"
No. I spent years in the pharmaceutical business and years learning how drugs are discovered. The major pharmaceutical companies do not simply find a drug, test it and put it on the market. They look at the problems from drugs and develop strategies to overcome those problems with each new drug.
Do you really think that after aspirin was developed that it was an accident that someone came up with tylenol? Do you think the same of all the different anti-biotics? Most drug manufacturers looks several decades into the future, as well as, the less distant future in determining the path to finding new drugs.
"I mentioned wars (with Dresden as an example of mass bombing) and the fact that killing innocents to save lives, is common and relative to the situation."
This smells of moral equivilence to me.
Killing innocents on accident does not equal killing innocents on purpose. The 2 are completely different issues.
"The libs are all over the map on this issue. On one hand, they are desperate to save the lives of 90-year-old alzheimers patients because it will advance the abortion cause. On the other hand, when it comes to euthanasia, they're desperate to kill off the "no-longer-viable" old folks because it's their "right." There is an easy explanation for this. It's called the Culture of Death."
Very well said. Thank you.
"Not sure why you're thanking me but you're welcome anyway. :-}"
I was thanking you for posting the article in your reply 262. It has some really good information in it.
Yes it does. Glad you liked it. But it will never satisfy those who with the messianic complexes.
"But it will never satisfy those who with the messianic complexes."
Speaking of those with messianic complexes. I will never be able to figure out why anyone would be so defensive when another person says "I will pray for you".
Oh well, that is another subject for another thread.
I didn't know that adult stem research was originally funded by the taxpayers. Thank you for the information. However, if you cannot differentiate between goo and an embryo, you cannot understand the immorality of killing an embryo and why taxpayers shouldn't fund same.
:-)
And what company was this that you worked for that was willing to work on projects with 30 to 40 year timelines for possibly delivering a product?
My interaction with the pharm industry does tell me they have longer timelines than an average company, but we're still nowhere near 30+ years before a product is delivered, after which you then have the FDA approval process.
Are you going to risk your FR membership over this?
"but we're still nowhere near 30+ years before a product is delivered, after which you then have the FDA approval process."
This is your first mistake. Pharmaceuticals are not delivered until after the FDA approval process.
I never said I worked for them, but I did study what they do when I was applying to work for them years ago. All of the big ones work off of a long term strategy.
One other thing. In business school I was informed that the board of directors of an large company (any type) was to look out for the strategic long-term good of the company. This was defined in the text books as being not less than 25 years and usually went to at least 50 years.
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