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To: ancient_geezer
We get the government we allow, for "they" come from us and are us.

Maybe I'm following you better now.  I hear you saying you've screwed up because there's something wrong with your "attitudes" and "core principals virtues" and that this has ended up allowing a terrible state of affairs.

Personally, I seriously doubt that there's anything wrong with your virtues --although it's none of my business.  What is my business are the fiscal and monetary polices that you and I have gotten the hired help in Washington to carry out.  I agree that we have to keep a eye on them (it's so hard to get good help these days!) and personally I've been very pleased at the darn good job our government employees are doing.   

OK, lot's of people don't think so and they whimper that government workers like these are no good but imho the professional complainers are idiots.  America is a force for good.   The way I see it, our parents gave us a country that's in better shape than the one they got, and we've done the same for the next generation that's currently taking over.   They in turn, will continue the good work.   I like what these kids are already doing on entitlements (more here) but we can get back to specifics later.  The bottom line is that we've got a heck of a lot to be happy about.  A gloomy attitude is bad for the gastro-intestinal, it's a pain in the but for others, and to complain in the face of our Creator's generosity is down right blasphemous.

OK, I like philosophy as much as the next guy but how about we please drop all this gush stuff and get to work naming specific proposed legislation that we want passed, or a specific executive orders we want given.   Forget the SCOTUS.

249 posted on 07/14/2006 7:55:43 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

OK, I like philosophy as much as the next guy but how about we please drop all this gush stuff and get to work naming specific proposed legislation that we want passed, or a specific executive orders we want given.   Forget the SCOTUS.

A good start begins with revamping the current federal tax system to assure that the entire electorate participates in and perceives a proportionate personal burden in the costs of government.

James DeMint (R-SC)
United States House of Representatives
APRIL 5, 2001

Or in Walter Williams' quaint way of putting it:

"It's like me in the restaurant: What do I care about extravagance if you're footing the bill? "

To remove perception of the tax burdens of the individual, is to remove the goad which assures accountability of government to the electorate. Federal tax rates are high and government grows ever larger because a majority of the electorate do not perceive proportionately the burden their demand for largesse imposes on the minority of citizens.

The siren call for representation without taxation is the formula that got us where we are at today. The ability to hide or disguise taxation from the view of large sectors of the electorate allows the Congress to get away with the creation of the evergrowing monster that it fosters.

Liberty and freedom have a price, responsibility. If the perception of burden laid by government is interfered with or avoided there are no brakes on the growth of government.

Bush touts relief as tax day looms

Another 3.9 million Americans will have their income tax liability completely eliminated, officials said.

That's 3.9 million Americans more added to the spending constituency of 70% of the public clamoring for more from government, figuring someone else foots the bill.

252 posted on 07/14/2006 8:17:45 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: expat_panama

Maybe I'm following you better now.  I hear you saying you've screwed up because there's something wrong with your "attitudes" and "core principals virtues" and that this has ended up allowing a terrible state of affairs.

If you choose to absolve yourself of any responsibility who am I to argue with you.

What is my business are the fiscal and monetary polices that you and I have gotten the hired help in Washington to carry out. I agree that we have to keep a eye on them (it's so hard to get good help these days!) and personally I've been very pleased at the darn good job our government employees are doing. 

That's so very good of you not to complain of the government employees after all they are merely doing the job they have been assigned by your elected agents.

Seems you have neglected to mention a key link in the chain and that is our elected folks setting the fiscal and monetary policy you claim is your business. It would seem those whose business is the fiscal and monetary policies should be held to task, don't your think?

Seeing that those elected officials are merely implementing that which you have indicate is indeed your busines it would appear to me that that you need to worry more about those who are being sent to do your business in establishing fiscal and monetary policy, not the government employee who, afterall is merely trying to do the tough job your chosen agents in the drivers seat have set them.

The way I see it, our parents gave us a country that's in better shape than the one they got, and we've done the same for the next generation that's currently taking over.   They in turn, will continue the good work.  

Yep, amazing then how we still managed to end up with all those folks in Washington apparently using a different Constitution than you in their policy making and laws you were worried about back here, an here isn't it?

I like what these kids are already doing on entitlements (more here) but we can get back to specifics later.  The bottom line is that we've got a heck of a lot to be happy about. 

It good of you to mention that, unfortunately that which begins with words, and ends with words is of little value don't you think. Afterall them folks in the Whitehouse may have some great ideas, but great ideas don't amount to much when the folks responsible for establishing the laws and policy fail to do much in the way of authorizing such grand designs.

You are aware that Congress, our parents, and us, have elected or allow to be elected as the case may be, hold the keys to car.

"Grand ideas" Ain't going nowhere nohow without first getting through those we have placed in office for the purpose of establishing the fiscal and monetary policy of this nation in the form of acts of law.

A gloomy attitude is bad for the gastro-intestinal, it's a pain in the but for others,

Forebid that your gastro intestinal be ever upset over discussion of the failing of your self proclaimed business of fiscal and monetary policy. When are you going to take hold and actually implement your policy.

and to complain in the face of our Creator's generosity is down right blasphemous.

Hmmm, wasn't aware that we or the Congress we elect as our representation and agents in government to establish our fiscal and monetary policies were a function of our "Creators generosity". So now you blame the "Creator" for your lack of ability to do the business you have taken on yourself of fiscal and monetary policy. I am to blame the Creator for your lacks?

Sorry you have assumed the business of fiscal and monetary policy by declaring it your business. Trying to pass the buck to the "Creater" is abit ingenuous it seems to me.

258 posted on 07/14/2006 9:00:43 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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