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U.S. striving to detect diesel submarines
Star Tribune ^ | July 08, 2006 – 11:00 PM | Eric Rosenberg Hearst Newspapers

Posted on 07/10/2006 5:40:08 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

U.S. striving to detect diesel submarines

The Navy is concentrating its efforts to find the quiet, difficult-to-detect crafts in Asia and the Pacific region.

Eric Rosenberg Hearst Newspapers

Last update: July 08, 2006 – 11:00 PM

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Navy is stepping up its program for detecting new diesel-powered submarines that are extremely quiet, hard to find and increasingly relied upon by China, Iran and North Korea.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aip; china; dieselsub; dieselsubmarines; kilo; miltech; northkorea; pakistan; proliferation; russia; ssks; submarines; yuan
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Steam-powered areoplane ping.


21 posted on 07/10/2006 6:11:56 AM PDT by freedomlover (This tagline has been pulled - - - - OK?)
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To: brothers4thID

It has to make noise, to be detected.


22 posted on 07/10/2006 6:13:17 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr

Every moving thing makes noise. THe trick is to reduce it as much as possible, disguise it as something else, or lose it amongst other noises.


23 posted on 07/10/2006 6:14:52 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty)
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To: Bear_Slayer

I didn't think I had to qualify it by saying that it has to make enough noise to be detected passively, but it does.


24 posted on 07/10/2006 6:18:43 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: palmer
"I seem to recall a while back some company sold some quiet propeller technology to the Russians or maybe the Chinese."

I thought it was Toshiba. I haven't bought anything from them since.

25 posted on 07/10/2006 6:21:30 AM PDT by GBA
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To: camle


Lieutenant, did I ever tell you about the Murmansk Brushing incident?
26 posted on 07/10/2006 6:22:29 AM PDT by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I should have read your post before I responded. I'm one of those people who is still mad.


27 posted on 07/10/2006 6:22:49 AM PDT by GBA
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To: OKSooner; ArrogantBustard

Thanks for the info. A couple of friends just bought Toshiba laptops. It's been a while, but I remember that time now, Japan was going to overtake our economy, we were falling behind in technology, etc.


28 posted on 07/10/2006 6:24:28 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: GBA
I haven't bought anything from them since.

Good for you. I hope I/we can have that same fortitude when the Chinese start selling high tech to terrorists.

29 posted on 07/10/2006 6:29:54 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: OKSooner

It was Toshiba and as I remember it the guy responsible committed suicide. The sub to watch for is the one which uses hydrogen fuel cells. It makes the diesel electrics seem like rattle buckets.


30 posted on 07/10/2006 6:34:27 AM PDT by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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To: stuartcr

YOu didn't have to qualify it. I guess I was just being persnickety.


31 posted on 07/10/2006 6:38:41 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty)
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To: palmer

You remember correctly! In the early 1990s the Chicoms bought a huge milling machine called the FROREAP surplus for $250,000 (original cost $6M) from the B1 bomber division of Rockwell. This machine allowed the Chicoms to make quieter props for their subs. Over strenuous objections from DoD, the State Dept. allowed the sale; State saw the Chinese as our friends. To add insult to injury, this took place before Clinton, under the Bush Administration! I have personal knowledge; at the time I was an engineer at Rockwell. When will we learn?


32 posted on 07/10/2006 6:43:25 AM PDT by darth
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To: reagandemo
That's the one the Swedes developed, the air-independent propulsion vessel (AIP)? I recall a story where they were loaning one to NATO to see if they could detect it. I heard rumors to the effect that it slipped through all the screening vessels and got close enough to one of our carriers to take it out with a couple of torpedo shots.

Certainly doesn't have the range or at-sea capability of a nuke, but for relatively short-duration missions, such defensive forays against naval forces within striking distance of a nation's shoreline, it can be pretty effective.

33 posted on 07/10/2006 6:43:38 AM PDT by chimera
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To: palmer

Toshiba


34 posted on 07/10/2006 6:54:33 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Phsstpok
as a retired STS, I can tell you diesel/electrics submerged on that Battery are a nightmare to find! IF you hear them...they're way too close! Couple that with the degradation of our ASW capabilities, even on the submarine side it could be bad for us. I'm here in Groton still in the bubblehead community, even after retirement, and Friends I have on various boats on the river worry about it too!

STS1 SS/DV Retired
35 posted on 07/10/2006 6:55:08 AM PDT by Bottom_Gun (Crush depth dummy - proud NRA member & Certified Instructor)
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To: Bear_Slayer

I understand persnickety.


36 posted on 07/10/2006 6:56:17 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: camle

Down Periscope!!!


37 posted on 07/10/2006 6:57:07 AM PDT by Otho
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To: bmwcyle

Got to agree with you, it's still a problem now. ASW skills are perishable, and if not constantly exercised are lost. I'm here in Groton still in the community and my friends on the boats worry about it too!


38 posted on 07/10/2006 6:58:03 AM PDT by Bottom_Gun (Crush depth dummy - proud NRA member & Certified Instructor)
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To: Bottom_Gun

We need SOSUS at more foreign sites, LFA, and more SURTASS platforms.


39 posted on 07/10/2006 6:58:49 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Otho

zachry! "Whale song"!


40 posted on 07/10/2006 6:59:10 AM PDT by camle (Keep your mind open and somebody will fill if full of something for you.)
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