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Wake up, Democrats: Ideas and vision do matter
LA Times ^ | 7/10/06 | Kenneth S. Baer and Andrei Cherny

Posted on 07/10/2006 4:34:27 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom

SOMETHING HAPPENS to a political party when it is not just out of power but has had to play on the home field of its opponents for a generation: It loses faith in itself and becomes scared.

Like the 98-pound weakling who lives in fear of the school bully, it will say anything to avoid being stuffed into a gym locker: I don't really believe in anything! I don't stand for anything! Please just leave me alone!

That this has become true in the Democratic Party is clear in listening to the worried words of pundits and political professionals who counsel Democrats to avoid offering any vision or direction for the country — to instead simply wait for voters to so tire of Republican mismanagement that they will turn to more "competent" Democrats to administer a conservative state.

Maureen Dowd, for instance, argued recently that "big ideas" don't matter — "what matters," she wrote, "is the bearer of an idea." James Carville — the architect of Bill Clinton's 1992 victory — told Newsweek that "the American people are going to be ready for an era of realism. They've seen the consequences of having too many 'big ideas.' "

And in these pages, Jonathan Chait cynically dismissed any talk of "vision" or "ideas" and instead argued that Democrats should not formulate a coherent worldview because, for progressives, "everything works on a case-by-case basis." This ad hoc approach to politics misunderstands the basics of American history and underestimates the power of ideas in shaping it. It may win an odd election here or there in spite of itself, but ultimately, it is a losing strategy for any political party.

Ideas have driven American politics since the founding of the republic.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: rats; vision
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Ideas and vision do matter but the RATS are too addicted to saving their skins to be bold. They either have to wait until the Republican party commits political suicide (which for some odd reason the RINOS seem all too happy to do)or the old guard dies off. As Kennedy and Byrd prove every day they aren't just going to gracefully fade away.
1 posted on 07/10/2006 4:34:31 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Well, it is refreshing to see the LA Times admit the democrats have no vision or ideas.


2 posted on 07/10/2006 4:38:15 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
On the contrary, I thing the GOP is interested in maintaining the Dems as a threat. The opportunity to once and for all destroy the DNC as a serious force is here, and has been for some time, but the Republicans keep playing nice and continue to load the Senate with Rinos.

They know that the moment the Dems become insignificant, the conservatives and the Rinos will split and have a turf war, probably even a new party to the right. This would, of course be better for America, but not the GOP leadership.

3 posted on 07/10/2006 4:38:51 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.)
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To: highlander_UW

They are for the working people and the environment. I hear them say it all the time.


4 posted on 07/10/2006 4:43:14 AM PDT by pas
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
"It took decades for their(GOP) ideas to make it into the mainstream, but — for better or worse — American politics today is played out on the terrain laid down by these thinkers."

Aside from that ignorant remark, this article displays quite well how the Democrats have become anti-everything the Repubs stand for. Their only position is anti-Republican. It's really almost robotic.
5 posted on 07/10/2006 4:44:54 AM PDT by brain bleeds red
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I'm for the working people and the environment as well. The difference is in the balance...they would place the environment ABOVE people, I place people above the environment.


6 posted on 07/10/2006 4:45:47 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
The RATS have plenty of "ideas" alright.
John Murtha let's us know what the RATS ideas are, practically every week.

Courtesy of John Murtha, Idea # 1:

America is is more dangerous to the world than a nuclear armed North Korea or Iran.

Idea # 2. America should withdraw it's troops from Iraq AT ONCE (No, last year actually, even b4 Zarqawi was taken out), and go station our troops in, wait for it, Okinawa, Japan, where we can swiftly tackle the terrorists in Iraq from.

Idea # 3, America will never win in Iraq.

And it goes on.

The biggest reason why the Republican Party keeps winning is the sheer insanity that has taken over the very highest echelons of the RATS Party.
7 posted on 07/10/2006 4:47:36 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Having seen the failure of a generation of conservative ideas on fiscal and foreign policy, Americans are ready to listen to an alternative.

Let's see now, which "failures" would those be? The "failure" that defeated the Soviet Union, the biggest threat to freedom in world history? Or the "failure" of tax cuts, which doubled and then re-doubled national wealth within a couple of decades? Or maybe it was the "failure" of welfare reform, which reduced dependency and allowed the less fortunate to develop some self-respect and pull themselves out of grinding poverty.

The "progressives" have offered their ideas for the last hundred years. They've been shown not to work and rejected at the ballot box. If it pleases these nimrods to believe otherwise, let them go forward with their "progressive" agenda and see how well it takes off, not with the sycophantic media, but with the voting public.

8 posted on 07/10/2006 4:55:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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Democrats should not formulate a coherent worldview because, for progressives, "everything works on a case-by-case basis."

This used to be called "situational ethics." Wonder if this kind of thinking has a new name these days.

9 posted on 07/10/2006 4:57:46 AM PDT by dawn53
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The Rat party can't espouse any ideas.

The party now consists of two large groups - left wing Marxist lunatics and traditional democrats such as union members and the rapidly vanishing FDR voters.

If the party tosses out an idea, it will alienate one or the other group. Thus, it can't have any ideas. All it can do is bash the president. The party is trapped and there's no way out unless it dumps one of these two groups.


10 posted on 07/10/2006 4:58:45 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: highlander_UW

The LA Times is acting as cheerleaders for the dems.

Nothing new in that.


11 posted on 07/10/2006 5:00:24 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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...to say nothing of the decades they have been killing their ofspring through "choice."


12 posted on 07/10/2006 5:01:44 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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To: sgtbono2002

They absolutely are...which is why it is even more amusing that even their staunch supporters admit they have no ideas.


13 posted on 07/10/2006 5:02:59 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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"...to say nothing of the decades they have been killing their ofspring through "choice."

Oh yes.


14 posted on 07/10/2006 5:05:13 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: highlander_UW
Well, it is refreshing to see the LA Times admit the democrats have no vision or ideas.

Maybe the LA Times are using child psychology on the rat party?

15 posted on 07/10/2006 5:06:40 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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Naaaa... stay asleep at the switch
16 posted on 07/10/2006 5:08:19 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Yes, but ideas and vision don't go very well with demogoguery.


17 posted on 07/10/2006 5:20:07 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: pas
They are for the working people and the environment. I hear them say it all the time.

You forgot to mention the children.

18 posted on 07/10/2006 5:24:42 AM PDT by dearolddad
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To: sergeantdave
If the party tosses out an idea, it will alienate one or the other group. Thus, it can't have any ideas. All it can do is bash the president.

You are 100% correct but even that is a self-defeating tactic for two reasons. First, Amercians almost never vote AGAINST someting. We tend to either vote FOR something or don't vote at all. This was illustrated in several polls right after the 2004 election. When polled, people who voted for Bush were not "just voting against Kerry" while people who voted for Kerry by and large were voting against Bush. Giving people something to believe in has always been a political winner.

Second, Bush will be out of office in two years. Considering that the singular thing that keeps the dems together is their hatred of Bush, what will they say then? They have demonized Bush into the worst thing that has ever walked the face of the Earth. According to ther rhetoric, no matter who comest next it has to be better.

The democratic politicians can't be pro-war, pro-life or pro-gun. They can't be anti-gay marriage or anti-illegal immigration. The only thing that unites them is that they hate President Bush. Whatever he is for, they are against. That will never be enough to win big and in two years, it will not be enough to win anything at all.

19 posted on 07/10/2006 5:25:03 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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"Like the 98-pound weakling who lives in fear of the school bully, it will say anything to avoid being stuffed into a gym locker"

Sounds like your typical liberal.


20 posted on 07/10/2006 5:41:39 AM PDT by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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