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NASA: Astronauts may inspect shuttle tiles (to check and remove gap filler(s) as needed)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 7/9/06 | Mike Schneider - ap

Posted on 07/09/2006 8:18:49 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - NASA managers could decide Sunday whether a piece of fabric filler sticking out from thermal tiles on space shuttle Discovery's belly needs to be plucked out by astronauts during a spacewalk this week.

The gap filler, which is cracked and about an inch long, remains one of the few concerns that needs resolving before mission managers give the green light for Discovery to return to Earth in over a week.

The early consensus is that it probably won't pose problems during the shuttle's re-entry into Earth's atmosphere, but engineers pulled an all-nighter to recommend what, if anything, needs to be done, NASA officials said.

Agency managers already have cleared a slew of areas on the shuttle that raised their interest after viewing images taken during Discovery's flight to the international space station and before the shuttle docked with the orbiting complex.

Markings on the shuttle's nose cap were determined to be harmless bird droppings. Marks on certain panels of the thermal blanket covering Discovery's belly didn't have crushed coating or other signs of damage. Two other gap fillers didn't appear to pose problems.

If necessary, astronauts Piers Sellers and Mike Fossum could try to pluck the gap filler during their third scheduled spacewalk, which is set for Wednesday.

During their first spacewalk, they demonstrated on Saturday that they could make repairs to the shuttle from the end of a 100-foot combination of a robotic arm and a boom. The duo will make their second spacewalk Monday to replace a cable on the space station's rail car.

"You guys proved the arm and boom are stiff enough to use for (spacewalks)," flight controllers wrote Discovery's crew in an electronic morning message, adding that engineers on the ground who work on the shuttle's protective skin "are sleeping easier tonight" because of their spacewalk.

Discovery's six astronauts planned Sunday to finish unloading almost 7,000 pounds of cargo and supplies they brought to the space station. They also planned to talk to reporters 220 miles below on Earth during a news conference with the space station's three crew members.

The shuttle crew awoke to a recording of ABBA's "I Have a Dream," a song chosen by pilot Mark Kelly's two daughters.

"It sometimes is like being in a dream up here," Kelly radioed to Houston. "The floating is a big part of that."

Engineers also were analyzing whether two thermal blankets on Discovery that appear slightly damaged pose any risk of flying off the shuttle during re-entry.

"Both of these items are very close to be cleared as safe ..." flight controllers wrote Discovery's crew in an electronic message Sunday morning.

The gap filler that concerns managers is just above an area on the shuttle's belly that is connected to the external tank during launch. Gap filler is material fitted between thermal tiles to prevent them from rubbing against each other.

Discovery had a similar piece of fabric sticking out in the same place during last year's flight of the shuttle, the first since the Columbia disaster in 2003. Two pieces of gap filler had to be removed from Discovery's belly during a spacewalk last year because of concerns they would cause problems during re-entry.

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NASA: http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: astronauts; inspect; nasa; shuttle; tiles

1 posted on 07/09/2006 8:18:52 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

In this image made from NASA TV, German astronaut Thomas Reiter installs a piece of equipment in the Destin module, Saturday, July 8, 2006. Reiter is the newest member of the Expedition 13 crew. (AP Photo/NASA TV)


2 posted on 07/09/2006 8:19:52 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --- Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: NormsRevenge

What a joke.

Now that NASA has delivered the groceries and picked up the trash from the space station - they will spend how many millions to see if a playing card sized piece of paper is sticking out.

Too easy to say the shuttle is a piece of junk - and it's too easy to say let's just abandon the damn thing... but,,,

Oh I guess I just said it.

The shuttle stinks.


3 posted on 07/09/2006 8:25:53 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: NormsRevenge
Markings on the shuttle's nose cap were determined to be harmless bird droppings.

Pretty tough bird droppings. Made it through Florida thunderstorms and flying throught the earth's atmosphere at thousands of miles an hour.

Maybe they should use bird doo to glue the tiles to the shuttle.

4 posted on 07/09/2006 8:34:00 AM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Honey - the shuttle is here.... Honey - the shuttle is leaving....
5 posted on 07/09/2006 8:34:08 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: Jake The Goose
Your flip comment makes me wonder what your background, is to make such an evaluation so casually.

If you haven't particularly worked in an area of technical challenge and engineering development, and are just throwing off a comment with no substance behind it, then that is fine - anyone can say anything they want of course. Other's are free to ignore it.

But a more informed assessment, aware of the myriad^2 engineering challenges overcome to develop the space shuttle, would find it anything but than a joke. It is an amazing accomplishment in technology and engineering.

Political errors in judgment have been a huge problem for the manned space program. Among the biggest was Clinton's order in February 1993 that NASA to review the space STATION project, including the idea of whether it should continue, and then in December 1993, extending the invitation to Russia to join the Space Station program. We all know the screw-ups and delays Russian participation resulted in.

Likewise with the shuttle.

While politicians have decision making power in our governance system, I think most would agree that if we were to rely on these specific people - the kinds of people who are attracted to and excel in politics - to wield that level of responsibility in industry, that for the most part they would be disasters.

Anyway - maybe some of the decisions and mission definition and delays around the shuttle program are jokes - bad jokes - caused by political and government choices and bureaucracies... but what the engineers and technicians accomplished (when free of these same poor decision biases) is amazing...

IMHO
6 posted on 07/09/2006 9:00:19 AM PDT by muffaletaman
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To: muffaletaman

spaceflightnow.com
Protruding gap filler material near Discovery's nose was deemed no threat after high-resolution photographs showed it extended just two-tenths of an inch above the surrounding tile.

But engineers are continuing to assess the potential impact of a protruding gap filler near a propellant feedline access door in Discovery's belly and the potential impact of a slightly damaged thermal protection blanket in front of the ship's cockpit windows.


7 posted on 07/09/2006 9:05:58 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: muffaletaman

I take your comments and your facts appropriately - you are correct - and my comments were flip.

However - it cannot be missed that the Space Shuttle is an overall engineering failure - the lives lost - the time lost - etc., make that point.

Engineering is matrix - you make fantastic tactical discoveries on the way to strategic failure - occasionally.

We are stuck with the shuttle - that is a fact - however that does not change the fact that it is a not our finest moment.

If you feel otherwise - fair enough.


8 posted on 07/09/2006 9:21:45 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: Jake The Goose
Again, I politely differ in certain ways with you... but I appreciate that you didn't go ad hominem on me! Thanks...

The lives lost were from bad decision making in both cases - and is part of the whole govt agency / political issues situation in my opinion as the base cause. In both cases Engineers were over-ridden by decision-makers who had program / political issues too much in mind.

Secondly, considering the magnitude of what the space shuttle is and does, compared to other aircraft / aerospace developments... losing two crews is the unfortunate part of trying something that pushes the absolute edge of what is feasible. Compared to other advanced craft development programs in the past, it is not so bad. The human price paid makes us realize the value of the accomplishment.

Nonetheless - had the top cats listened to the team in the trenches, even these two catastrophic failures could have been avoided.

I have seen MANY things in my 35 years in technical and field operations - engineering - mfg - R&D - to know that people who have been "lucky" or manipulative enough to have gotten to the top of an organization are all-too-often not up to exercising the decision-making roles they have. The people below them often salvage a reasonable result from a poor decision due to their hard efforts - and are as often unrecognized for this.

On the other hand sometimes the cream rises to the top. Example Kelly Johnson - the Lockheed Skunkworks - and the A-12 / SR-71.

http://www.sr-71.org/blackbird/sr-71/

The shuttle is almost certainly the finest machine mankind has ever made, even with the problems experienced.

I will agree that the shuttle program - politics unavoidably included - has not been equal in accomplishment...
9 posted on 07/09/2006 1:16:28 PM PDT by muffaletaman
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To: muffaletaman

Nice to see (and learn from) an intelligent source.

I appreciate your views.

Well done.


10 posted on 07/10/2006 5:10:40 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: Jake The Goose
Re:The shuttle stinks.

This headline is wrong, and so are you.

The shuttle was cleared for re entry yesterday.

See for yourself right now live on NASA TV.

11 posted on 07/10/2006 5:14:58 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: muffaletaman
Re: The shuttle is almost certainly the finest machine mankind has ever made, even with the problems experienced.

Well said. Mach 13 is not easy.

12 posted on 07/10/2006 5:17:18 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: ChadGore

Correction: Mach 24.5 is not easy.


13 posted on 07/10/2006 5:19:48 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: ChadGore

Yeh - you're right - the shuttle is terrific.

!!!!!

Are you from outer space?


14 posted on 07/10/2006 5:43:06 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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