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To: Notwithstanding

Eph 1:21 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set [him] at his own right hand in the heavenly [places],


Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:


Eph 1:22 And hath put all [things] under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all [things] to the church,


Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Since I know you claim Peter to be the first pope, I guess I should show you that you started of badly, by naming a guy that was wrong as head of the church.

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.


Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.


Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.


Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?


84 posted on 07/09/2006 8:13:47 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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To: Bryan24
Paul himself said that he was a sinner, in the Epistle reading we had this very Sunday.

Nobody is sinless except Christ (and His mother, through God's divine interposition on her behalf.)

87 posted on 07/09/2006 8:26:03 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Bryan24

Not sure what you are getting at. Do you think a pastor is only a pastor if he is sinless? Wow - that ain't in no bible!

1. Peter's role as shepherd of the whole Church does not depend upon any idea that Peter was sinless - and the Church nowhere claims that he was not a sinner.

2. Peter's role as shepherd of the whole Church does not depend upon any idea that every act of Peter's was infallible - and the Church nowhere claims that every act was infallible.

Your proof-texting is interesting, as proof-texting always is. But in no way undermines the historical record for 1500 years that all Christians considered the Church to be heirarchical, with Peter and his successors as the chief shepherd.


97 posted on 07/09/2006 11:04:30 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (I love my German shepherd - Benedict XVI reigns!)
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