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Liberal Christianity is paying for its sins
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| 7/9/06
| Charlotte Allen
Posted on 07/09/2006 4:41:38 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Bible prophecy being fullfilled right before our eyes:
I Timothy 4:1-2, Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
II Timothy 4:3-4, For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Can anyone who takes bible prophecy seriously doubt that we are living in the "latter times" just before the return of Jesus Christ? I don't.
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:01:44 AM PDT
by
epow
(Life is tough, it's even tougher if you're a DUmmy. moonbat living in Mom's basement.)
To: Oshkalaboomboom
the same could be said about the Democratic Party. Their slide is only halted by the longer life of people after retirement. If people over 65 had not extended their lives to 80 there would be 10 million fewer votes in elections - mostly on the side that has a D next to the candidate.
The boomer's kids are not fooled by their liberal parents. Divorce and the yuppie lifestyle did not help kids. So,they are rejecting their parents if it feels good do it mantra.
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:05:05 AM PDT
by
q_an_a
To: Notwithstanding
If it were not for the crystal clarity of Catholic doctrine........ I wouldn't go there, were I you. The Church of Rome has wandered in the wilderness of strange doctrine itself, a few times. One pastor of us all can also be a tyrant.
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:05:47 AM PDT
by
jimtorr
To: Notwithstanding
"If it were not for the crystal clarity of Catholic doctrine, the "indpendent" churches would be wandering around wondering what the bible says about issues and moral dillemmas that are not covered by the bible."
You must be in the PR business and working for the Catholic church. The "crystal clarity of Catholic doctrine"?
Want to go back and look at all the edicts from the popes that contradict each other?
I don't know that I have ever seen a more arrogant statement in a religious discussion. And what's worse, it's wrong.
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:07:16 AM PDT
by
Bryan24
(When in doubt, move to the right....)
To: Conservativegreatgrandma
You seem to hav missed the point. No dimunition of Scripture, just a fact-check to ensure that people understand that having one common pastor as an earthly leader is as Christian as you can get. That is what united the Church for 1500 centuries. And certainly for the first 300 years when there was no NT.
The Catholic Church eventually declared that the books of the NT were all the Word of God. Prior to that they were just books that had good teaching in them. Contemporary books of similar stature up until that point (e.g. other "gospels") were NOT declared to be the Word of God by the Catholic Church and thus do not have that status today.
Popes are bound by Catholic doctrine, so the pope can't mess doctrine up. The pope may be infallible in theory, but the exercise of that infallibility is almost non-existent, and has only been exercised regarding things long accepted as true - since the days of the orignial apostles. The Word of God does change - all yo have to do is go to a bibkle store and ten compare the text of the different versions.
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:07:44 AM PDT
by
Notwithstanding
(I love my German shepherd - Benedict XVI reigns!)
To: WorkingClassFilth
The self-proclaimed modern Episcompalians, Methodists and Presbyterians would certainly feel more comfortable in the heretical and dying Christian European milieu than they would in the USA.
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:07:57 AM PDT
by
gaspar
To: q_an_a
With every election, the Geritol voters disappear. My dear father, who passed on last year, was a liberal Democrat. I never allowed politics to get in the way of family. Now if only the Democrats wouldn't let politics get in the way of working with people they don't always agree with, the country would be much better off. Until they get that, they will continue to lose voters even as they can't forge a connection with the new generation.
(The Palestinian terrorist regime is the crisis and Israel's fist is the answer.)
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:08:49 AM PDT
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: dawn53
Here's the previous thread about the change (where the 'rock paper scissors' analogy was mentioned.)
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So....Do you think we will see the righteous indignation of the liberal-Marxists about plagiarism that they directed at Steven Ambrose and now at Ann Coulter?
I doubt it.
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:12:18 AM PDT
by
wintertime
(Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
To: wintertime
Remember that professor who made it all up in book about the Second Amendment? That's a lesson in Plagiarism 101. He was subsequently forced to resign from his sinecure.
(The Palestinian terrorist regime is the crisis and Israel's fist is the answer.)
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:14:47 AM PDT
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: Notwithstanding
...all you have to do is go to a bible store and then compare the text of the different versions.
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:16:27 AM PDT
by
Notwithstanding
(I love my German shepherd - Benedict XVI reigns!)
To: goldstategop
Islam is the only religion growing since there's no such thing as a liberal Muslim.
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The Mormon Church is growing exponentially. It is now doubling in size every ten years and that rate of increase is expected to speed up.
Do the math. The Muslims may soon have some serious competition.
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:18:07 AM PDT
by
wintertime
(Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
To: Notwithstanding
i left the catholic church b/c they seemed to favor financial benefits (see Kennedy and Kerry and Durbin as still "practicing") over what is right time after time. The local parish refused to partipate in a right to life cross placement when invited.
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:18:10 AM PDT
by
slapshot
(""USAF- when you absolutely, positively need it delivered on target, on time, right away)
To: Notwithstanding
You ain't seeing nothing yet. Wait til liberals edit God out of the Bible.
(The Palestinian terrorist regime is the crisis and Israel's fist is the answer.)
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:18:45 AM PDT
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: Terabitten
Not quite. It's a social club. It's at this point that they should clearly have their tax status revoked, because they're no longer a house of worship - they're just a bunch o' liberals.I'm pretty sure that the same thing is happening in the Jewish community as well. That the more liberal the congregation, the smaller those congregations tend to get over time. I believe that the fastest growing congregations, and segment of Judaism in the US is the Orthodox movement, which also tends towards political conservatism.
My guess (for these trends in both Jewish and Christian traditions) is because the greater the strength of your belief, the greater the commitment and obligations you have. Something that I've noticed over the years is that the more liberal someone is, the less likely they are to honor their commitments, and will be more willing to "cut on run" on their obligations.
Mark
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:22:46 AM PDT
by
MarkL
(When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
Comment #35 Removed by Moderator
To: Bryan24
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- Amplified Bible - AB - 1965, includes explanation of words within text
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- Aramaic New Covenant - ANCJ - 1996, a translation and transliteration of the New Covenant
- Authentic New Testament - ANT - 1958
- Barclay New Testament - BNT - 1969
- Basic Bible - TBB - 1950, based upon a vocabulary of 850 words
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- Cassirer New Testament - CNT - 1989
- Centenary Translation of the New Testament - CTNT - 1924, one of the few versions translated solely by a woman
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- Complete Jewish Bible - CJB - 1989, a Messianic Jewish translation
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- Norlie's Simplified New Testament - NSNT - 1961, includes Psalms
- Original New Testament - ONT - 1985, described by publisher as a radical translation and reinterpretation
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:27:50 AM PDT
by
Notwithstanding
(I love my German shepherd - Benedict XVI reigns!)
To: Notwithstanding
With all due respect, I disagree with you.
Churches that practice what I shall call "New Testament Christianity" are anything but novel. In fact, there's probably one in your town, or close to it.
You assert "The novel groups that have no core but the Bible... cannot weather the storms over the long haul and maintain the truth." I would suggest that in fact, it is God's Word as written by inspired men that has allowed "New Testament Christianity" to flourish as much as it has. The divisions in Christianity, I would suggest to you, come from uninspired individuals who fail to to study God's Word, and give it their due.
I suggest you surf around on http://searchtv.org/ and read a few sermons by Mack Lyon. He's been at the televangelism work for 25 years or so. The reason why you probably haven't heard of him before is because he never asks for money to keep his show on the air. The mere fact he continues to broadcast might give you some insight.
To: Oshkalaboomboom
The Church will survive, inspite of crazies in the Liberal fringe. They Church is the living Body of Christ. Not the buildings and not false doctrines.
The modern movement is not all that different from Gnosticism that plauged the Church in its infancy. And the Church is still here.
To: Oshkalaboomboom
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posted on
07/09/2006 6:30:03 AM PDT
by
VOA
To: Terabitten
It's a social club.
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These denominational heirarchies are not social clubs/ They are political institutions aligned with global socialism. These organizations are not headed by men of the faith but by power mongers eager to do social revolution to end the influence of traditional morality and Christian faith.
The United Methodist Church is among the most compromised denomination in Christianity. Their Council of Bishops lacks a single member committed to the Word. They have become despotic and malicious toward people of the Way of Christ.
It is heartening to see citizens of this country turning away from so-called liberal Christianity in numbers that will marginilize mainline denominationalization in one generation.
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