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Psychiatrist Warned Yates Against Having 5th Baby
CBS2CHICAGO ^ | 07 JULY 2006 | AP

Posted on 07/07/2006 6:26:30 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

(AP) HOUSTON A psychiatrist testified Friday that she warned Andrea Yates not to have any more children after she tried to commit suicide twice within months of having her fourth child in 1999.

"I could pretty much predict that Mrs. Yates would have another episode of psychosis," Dr. Eileen Starbranch told jurors in Yates' second murder retrial.

Starbranch said Yates suffered from postpartum psychosis, which she said causes a mother to have delusions and lose touch with reality, making it much more severe than postpartum depression.

Yates drowned her five young children in a bathtub in June 2001, 6 months after the birth of her fifth child, Mary. She is being tried again because an appeals court overturned her 2002 murder conviction based on erroneous testimony that might have influenced the jury. She has again pleaded innocent by reason of insanity.

Yates' attorneys have never disputed she killed the youngsters but say she didn't know that the drownings were wrong.

Prosecutors say Yates may be mentally ill but does not meet the state's definition of insanity.

They say Yates planned to drown the children when she was alone with them, after her husband went to work and before her mother-in-law arrived. Then Yates called 911 and later told a detective she killed them because she was a bad mother and wanted to be punished, according to witnesses.

Along with Mary, Yates drowned 2-year-old Luke, 3-year-old Paul, 5-year-old John and 7-year-old Noah.

Starbranch said she treated Yates after she tried to kill herself by overdosing on sleeping pills in June 1999.

About a month later, Starbranch said, Yates' then-husband, Rusty, told her that Yates had held a knife to her own throat the previous day.

Starbranch said Yates had a bald spot on her head from scratching it, had not been taking her antipsychotic medication, had filthy hair and could not function. Starbranch said she sent the couple immediately to a mental hospital so Andrea Yates could be admitted.

Under cross-examination, Starbranch acknowledged that the words "filthy" and "catatonic" were not in her notes and said that Yates' nervousness and anxiety may have been a sign that she simply did not want to be at a psychiatrist's office. But Starbranch maintained that Yates was psychotic and not lethargic or exhausted from caring for four young children.

Over the next two weeks or so while hospitalized, Yates steadily improved while on antipsychotic drugs, Starbranch said.

But then in March 2001, Rusty Yates called Starbranch's office trying to make an appointment, saying his wife was getting worse since having the couple's fifth child in November, Starbranch testified.

"I knew that was a very ominous sign ... that lives were at stake, so I asked that she be brought in immediately," Starbranch said.

The couple never showed up, but Starbranch later learned that Yates was admitted to another mental hospital, the psychiatrist testified.

Yates, being tried in only three of the children's deaths, will be sentenced to life in prison if convicted. After the first jury rejected execution, prosecutors could not seek the death penalty again because they found no new evidence.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: children; crazywench; insanity; richardpryor; yates
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To: Zeroisanumber
I have compassion for the insane

I suppose you have compassion for Jeffrey Dahmer and other serial killers too? After all they claimed insanity at their trials too.

21 posted on 07/07/2006 7:32:55 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (What you know about that?)
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To: jdm
Many angry, frustrated parents have shaken their children to death

Really? Why haven't I read news accounts of them?

22 posted on 07/07/2006 7:34:29 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (What you know about that?)
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To: after dark
If a man had done what Adrea Yates did ,you would want him to die painfully.

No.

I have been consistently against the death penalty all my adult life.

23 posted on 07/07/2006 7:35:24 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Caramelgal
I’d like to know the husband’s contribution, role and accountability for this. He knew her problems after the 4th child and yet impregnated her a 5th time (bad judgment on his part) and then didn’t even see fit to supervisor her, not leave her alone with the children or follow up to make sure she got the help she needed knowing her history of suicide attempts and depression. Perhaps he is not accountable for the murders but he is at least guilty of being oblivious to the obvious.

Rusty Yates did not help this woman by continuously impregnating her. If he needed sex, he should have used birth control. When he was interviewed on tv, he appeared to be intelligent and well-groomed. Didn't he notice his wife had "filthy hair" and was acting like a mental patient? The murder was shocking. This woman can never be let out. It's too bad the husband was such a self-obsessed jerk. (IMO)

24 posted on 07/07/2006 7:35:40 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: SoCalPol

Sure its all the mans fault we all know that.


25 posted on 07/07/2006 7:45:35 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I noticed the hair the first time I saw her, so I think it's a safe bet she had not been bathing either. Apparently her husband was blind to the obvious.


26 posted on 07/07/2006 7:47:08 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
I understand that "Rusty" is either engaged or already married again.

He should be arrested and tried as an accomplist.

27 posted on 07/07/2006 7:50:30 PM PDT by mickie
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To: durasell
She's crazy as an crap house rat. Unfortunately, our legal system doesn't deal with crazy folks very well nor does society, since she was still allowed to run around nutty until she did something heinous

Perhaps, one day when we have the technology to specifically identify most diseases in the brain that will change.

28 posted on 07/07/2006 7:55:38 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Graybeard58
"I have been consistently against the death penalty all my adult life."

Good!You have more patients with evil people than I will ever have.You are either a Saint or you are evil.

I am bothered by the psychiatrists description of Andrea Yates hair. I am willing to bet that the psychiatrist is either a blond, a red head or close cropped . Whatever she is , she tied the condition of Andrea Yates' hair with her opinion Andrea Yates should have no children. I do not want the condition of a woman's hair to become a determining factor as to whether she is allowed to have children. That the psychiatrist was caught lying about observing Andrea Yates with skanky hair makes the psychiatrist seem strange to me. The psychiatrist is taking advantage of this case.
29 posted on 07/07/2006 7:57:00 PM PDT by after dark (I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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To: Moonman62

Probably not. There are a lot of people running around with heads full of bad wiring. It's just much simpler to attribute their actions to broad terms as "evil" than to believe we're just machinery.


30 posted on 07/07/2006 8:00:08 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Moonman62
>Perhaps, one day when we have the technology to specifically identify most diseases in the brain that will change.

Do you ever worry that such technology could end up like phrenology?
31 posted on 07/07/2006 8:06:00 PM PDT by after dark (I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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To: after dark
Good!You have more patients with evil people than I will ever have.You are either a Saint or you are evil.

I am neither.

I have heard every concievable argument pro and con. I don't discuss or debate my position here, but I don't hesitate to state it either.

Pro death penalty members are in the huge majority here and I respect their opinions, whether they respect mine or not.

32 posted on 07/07/2006 8:08:25 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"Really? Why haven't I read news accounts of them?"

They're much harder to prosecute. Louise Woodward is but one example.

33 posted on 07/07/2006 8:50:23 PM PDT by jdm
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To: after dark
Do you ever worry that such technology could end up like phrenology?

No, we already have card readers and psychics to fill in that void. If we worried about the study of the brain devolving into such nonsense we'd never make any progress.

34 posted on 07/07/2006 8:59:52 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: durasell

I think we'll discover that the mind is more than just machinery.


35 posted on 07/07/2006 9:01:22 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

A few years ago one of my states forensic experts was caught faking evidence. No one was ever put in jail or in a nut house on the word of a psychic or a card reader. Scientists are powerful ,so they need to be more careful than psychics or card readers.


36 posted on 07/07/2006 9:14:44 PM PDT by after dark (I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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To: mickie
I understand that "Rusty" is either engaged or already married again. He should be arrested and tried as an accomplist. For what? Is getting engaged a crime now? Or perhaps it is the crime of being married to a mass murderer? Or perhaps just the crime of being a man?
37 posted on 07/07/2006 9:47:59 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Graybeard58
I have been consistently against the death penalty all my adult life.

Well at least you have been consitantly wrong your entire life.

38 posted on 07/07/2006 9:50:16 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Zeroisanumber
Try pitying her poor dead children who she held under water and drowned while they were kicking and screaming.

I do pity them. However, their mother killed them because of her illness rather than out of malice, so I feel pity for her too.

Yet kill them she did. One after the other. She is evil and should be put down. She will never be right in the head again.

39 posted on 07/07/2006 9:51:33 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: SoCalPol
Since her husband knew her situation and knocked her up for the 5th time, he is an accomplice to the crime.

An accomplice? WRONG.

40 posted on 07/07/2006 9:52:09 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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