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Intelligent design advocates to campaign in Kansas
Lawrence Journal-World (Kansas) ^ | 07 July 2006 | Scott Rothschild

Posted on 07/07/2006 2:39:21 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: Coyoteman

I did not think it was that old of an idea.

I just learned about it in the last year or so myself.

Punctuated Equilibrium fills in a whole lot of gaps.

What will they think of next?


241 posted on 07/10/2006 5:57:37 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: OmahaFields
Some call it anti-religious bigotry, others call it helping to save us from being a theocracy.

Do you seriously believe that? Who were the "theocrats" to be fought--- John Adams? Even if that was the case, the quote is hardly relevant today-- or do you think America still needs to be saved from beoming a "theocracy"?

242 posted on 07/10/2006 5:57:54 PM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: Radix
I did not think it was that old of an idea.

I just learned about it in the last year or so myself.

Punctuated Equilibrium fills in a whole lot of gaps.

Actually PE goes back to Darwin. There just weren't many fossils around in those days, so the application of the idea had to wait.

243 posted on 07/10/2006 6:00:08 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: mjolnir
"The reason it's called the argument FROM design is that it's an argument for something, namely God's existence."

ID is an argument FOR something too; an intelligent designer.

"In other words, the classic argument from design assumed that design in nature was fairly obvious-- it was the inference FROM design to God that was its focus."

Modern day ID claims that the design is obvious too.

"Wolfram does the same in his explanation of prebiotic evolution;"

The origins of life are outside the ToE.

"Margulis has similarly challenged not the truth, but the scope of Darwin's theory."

She is in no way an ID'er, at all.

"My point was that the Discovery Institute believes that students should be introduced to those sorts of doubts about Darwinist it will actually make Darwin's theory more interesting to them and help them learn better."

The *doubts* that the DI want to promote have nothing to do with science. It's a religious institution, with a religious argument.
244 posted on 07/10/2006 6:01:08 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: mjolnir
These guys take the cake!

Discovery's Center for Science and Culture ....

The Center's Director is Dr. Stephen Meyer, who holds a Ph.D. in the history and philosophy of science from Cambridge University.

The Center's Associate Director is Dr. John G. West, who holds a Ph.D. in Government from Claremont Graduate University and a B.A. in Communications from the University of Washington.

245 posted on 07/10/2006 6:01:52 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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To: Radix
"Punctuated Equilibrium'

"Now there is an idea.

"If the shoe don't fit, get a new shoe.

You seem to have missed the following from the site you linked.

"5. Eldredge and Gould's PE is founded on positive evidence, and does not "explain away" negative evidence (e.g. a purported lack of transitional fossils)."

Contrary to what you want to believe, new ideas are often presented in science but never blindly accepted without solid evidence.

246 posted on 07/10/2006 6:11:06 PM PDT by b_sharp (Why bother with a tagline? Even they eventually wear out!)
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To: Coyoteman
"Actually PE goes back to Darwin.

I think that Darwin was cool

I wish that he were still around so that he could explain his brilliance to me.

But now he ain't here, so let me get it.

Does the name Quasimodo ring a bell?

I don't mean to be cruel...but this is simply too much fun for one mortal man to have in a single day.

Sorry.

247 posted on 07/10/2006 6:12:49 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: Radix

"I wish that he were still around so that he could explain his brilliance to me."

What a waste of breath that would be for Darwin.


248 posted on 07/10/2006 6:18:41 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Come on.

I like the guy. Darwin.

He is is not much more than a glorified Bird watcher when it comes down to it though.

Heck, I was a Celtics fan myself for a while back in the 1980s.
249 posted on 07/10/2006 6:25:48 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: Radix

"Come on.

I like the guy. Darwin."

Sure ya do.

"He is is not much more than a glorified Bird watcher when it comes down to it though."

That shows how little you know of his work. Keep piling on the BS though, it's fun to watch.


250 posted on 07/10/2006 6:28:36 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
I don't know nothing about Darwin.

I don't know nothing about Pasteur either.

My next vacation over the pond will be some excursion to the John Snow Pub.

That would be the fellow who I also know nothing about who kicked the ass of the Cholera epidemic just south of Broad Street back in the day.

Don't test me You'll feel quite small at the end of the day if you continue.
251 posted on 07/10/2006 6:37:32 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: OmahaFields

These guys take the cake!
Discovery's Center for Science and Culture ....

The Center's Director is Dr. Stephen Meyer, who holds a Ph.D. in the history and philosophy of science from Cambridge University.

The Center's Associate Director is Dr. John G. West, who holds a Ph.D. in Government from Claremont Graduate University and a B.A. in Communications from the University of Washington.

What's your point?

Meyer has a scientific background; he worked as a geophysicist with the Atlantic Richfield Company and has degrees in Physics and Geology. That, combined with his education at Cambridge University-- a fairly well respected place-- makes for some pretty good credentials.

West does not have a scientific background, nor does he pretend to-- his expertise is in American political theory, the Constitution and the issues relating to them. Given that the Scalia/Thomas line of jurisprudence on the First Amendment has yet to be understood by many, I'd say there's a need for his expertise.

So... isn't your tagline quote (asuming it isn't simply an expression by Madison of anti-religious bigotry) irrelevant (if it ever was relevant)? You don't really think theocracy is a threat, do you?

252 posted on 07/10/2006 6:37:43 PM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
"Margulis has similarly challenged not the truth, but the scope of Darwin's theory." She is in no way an ID'er, at all.

Come on-- I never once claimed or so much as implied she was an IDer-- just the opposite:

My point was not that she was an IDer-- she not only isn't, she is an admitted card carrying Darwinist.

253 posted on 07/10/2006 6:41:41 PM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: Radix

"I don't know nothing about Darwin."

I know.

"I don't know nothing about Pasteur either."

No doubt.


254 posted on 07/10/2006 6:43:25 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: mjolnir
Your point was... underwhelming. Margulis has not attacked evolution in any way. He arguments are based on science, which cannot be said of ID.
255 posted on 07/10/2006 6:45:53 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: Coyoteman
Actually PE goes back to Darwin.

Darwin and Punctuated Equilibrium.

256 posted on 07/10/2006 6:47:16 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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To: mjolnir
They want to substitute "God did it" for our entire scientific knowledge base pushing us ever closer to the Islamic anti-science / pro-ID movement.

"I think one of the things that we want to do to advance our research program further is start to draw up the implications of intelligent design for different aspects of biology. And that's gonna take more research dollars, more scientists devoting their career to that. And we see, we're in the early stages of that, and we think there will be more research coming that shows how fruitful intelligent design is for making other discoveries in science."

257 posted on 07/10/2006 6:50:40 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Thanks for playing.

Have you ever considered reading a book in your life?

I know that it is not easy for people like you, but it is worth the effort in the end.

Please do not post to me as long as you choose to bathe in this pool of ignorance that you find yourself so comfortable in.


258 posted on 07/10/2006 6:50:49 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

I am glad he is YOUR psycophant now.


259 posted on 07/10/2006 6:52:38 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Hee hee. Insulted by a troll.


260 posted on 07/10/2006 6:52:52 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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