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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
If I misjudged the intent of your post I apologize. But if you had read that post from my perspective I think you would agree that it could easily be taken as a flippant response to my serious question regarding Ms Rice's position on the issue of abortion.

Your several references to Matt 7:2 do not offer a practical solution to the problem of pregnancies by rape and incest IMHO. In practical terms there is nothing that either you or I can do to alleviate the emotional suffering of rape or incest victims who we do not know or to who we are not related, and I am not interested in speculating about biologically impossible answers to those tragic and difficult situations. The bottom line for me is that there is nothing other than saving the life of the mother that justifies the taking of innocent human life in the womb. As for your repeated references to Matt 7:2, I don't see any connection with my comments and the teaching of Jesus regarding accusing others of sins that the accuser is guilty of himself. I have not impregnated anyone through rape or incest myself, and I have not accused the rape and incest victims of committing any sin in connection with their unfortunate situation. It seems to me that your concern for the emotional distress of the rape/incest victims is more important to you than the deliberate killing of the innocent babies who pay for the father's sin with their own lives. As I see it, the legal status of abortion in America only makes it possible for the women who abort babies conceived through rape or incest to share some of the guilt for aborting those babies with the abortionist and the criminal father. There are other and much better ways to resolve that situation than aborting the ultimate victim, one of which is adoption.

My point in mentioning adoption in my original comment was simply this; If legalized abortion was not the readily available "answer" to many of the relatively few difficult situations such as pregnancy by rape and incest, the many thousands of American couples who are now adopting babies from China and eastern Europe every year would provide a humane, morally acceptable alternative for those victimized mothers. My niece and her husband expended a large amount of time, effort, and money to travel to China and arrange the adoption of a Chinese baby girl. They are now in the expensive and time consuming process of adopting another Chinese baby. While in China they met many other American couples who were there for that same same purpose. If legal and readily available abortion did not offer the preferred "answer" for American victims of rape or incest, those American couples would provide a humane and morally acceptable "way out" for those unfortunate girls and women instead of paying the abortion industry to dispose of their "problem".

The cruel irony of the situation is that every day while those American couples are waiting in places such as China, Romania, or the Ukraine to pay for and adopt babies, American abortion mills are being further enriched by slicing and dicing thousands of pre-birth babies. At least some of those lives would be saved by adoption if not for the "answer" provided by our legalized abortion industry. You might answer by saying that in that case the foreign babies who are now being adopted by Americans would become the victims instead of the American babies who are being aborted. While that may be true, I would much rather that God assign the guilt of murdering babies to those nations' account instead of to America's account. I can't believe that God will tolerate the present situation indefinitely without imposing severe punishment on the offending nations.

20 posted on 07/10/2006 10:15:48 AM PDT by epow (Life is tough, it's even tougher if you're a DUmmy. moonbat living in Mom's basement.)
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To: epow

"I can't believe that God will tolerate the present situation indefinitely without imposing severe punishment on the offending nations."

I agree, and indeed the flood of illegal immigration may well be an element of that judgment (replacements for the tens of millions of liquidated unborn).

"It seems to me that your concern for the emotional distress of the rape/incest victims is more important to you than the deliberate killing of the innocent babies who pay for the father's sin with their own lives."

My main concern here is for souls who invest so much energy sitting on the sidelines weighing the sins and potential failings of others, and forseeing judgment for them, and so little energy in envisioning means of getting in alongside the redemptive works that God is doing all around them, and being an active part of these works.


"In practical terms there is nothing that either you or I can do to alleviate the emotional suffering of rape or incest victims who we do not know or to who we are not related, and I am not interested in speculating about biologically impossible answers to those tragic and difficult situations."

I suppose Mother Theresa heard this sort of complaint incessantly throughout her long and fruitful life. If Matt 7:2 won't do, then perhaps Matt 7:19-27 will illuminate the point. May you become a better neighbor, with less investment in rendering impotent judgment from the sidelines, and greater investment in 'doing the Truth' (Jo 3:21).


21 posted on 07/11/2006 2:53:24 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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