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To: Red Badger
I find it very interesting, and disturbing, that the UN refers to its members as "states" and not "nations" as in United Nations................

In international law, "state" is probably the correct term for a sovereign governmental entity. Nation is more of a cultural term. Thus one "state" could have many "nations" in it in a multi-ethnic empire - for example the old Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia. You might even argue Iraq and the United Kingdom are that way right now. Similarly, you could have one "Nation" split into multiple "states" like East and West Germany. The trend in the past century has been for the "states" and "nations" align.

We run into the problem of using the term "state" in English to also mean political subdivision in addition to sovereign government. There is no good English word meaning sovereign government and nothing else. State, nation and country all fall short.

20 posted on 07/06/2006 9:36:41 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Loose lips sink ships - and the New York Times really doesn't have a problem with sinking ships.)
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To: KarlInOhio
In international law, "state" is probably the correct term for a sovereign governmental entity. Nation is more of a cultural term.

France is a Nation

Britain is an Island

Egypt is a River

Germany is a Language

34 posted on 07/06/2006 10:59:36 AM PDT by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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