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Questions about the Affidavit against Pvt. Green (Iraqi Rape/Murder case)
Findlaw.com/Pissant ^ | 7/5/06 | Pissant

Posted on 07/05/2006 3:33:11 PM PDT by pissant

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To: pissant; OmahaFields
Charges not imminent in Army rape-murder probe

By Kristin Roberts Reuters

Wednesday, July 5, 2006; 2:13 PM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Army has restricted the activities of soldiers suspected in the rape and slaying of an Iraqi woman and killings of her family amid an investigation but charges are not imminent, a defense official said on Wednesday.

The Army plans to interview former Pfc. Steven Green, 21, who was detained in the case earlier this week in the United States, before deciding on charges against as many as four soldiers still in Iraq.

Green might not be questioned before he appears in U.S. court, likely next week, an official said.

61 posted on 07/05/2006 5:22:15 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: OmahaFields

No it was not.


62 posted on 07/05/2006 5:22:58 PM PDT by pissant
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In Item #5 in the AD, the CID investigation states that 3 men approached checkpoint 1 (TCP#1) on 3/12/2006 at 5:30 PM and reported that a family had been killed in their house and that it was believed to have been done by Anti Iraq forces or "others". In Item #12, SOI5 (source of information) says that on 3/11/2006 an Iraqi approached him and told him the house had been burned. The Iraqi said four were dead and one had been raped. An HOUR later, Iraqi army personnel and four US soldiers, including SOI5, went to the scene and presumably took the photos.

So did the event happen on 3/11 or 3/12? If SOI5 is correct, then the bodies would have been in the morgue by 3/12 and a 3/11 report would have been discovered by the CID.

One date was from the initial investigation report, not the present one.

63 posted on 07/05/2006 5:25:59 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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There is ALOT more to the story, and of particular significance is the testimony of I5 and the fact that he and others including Iraqi army checked out the deaths on 3/11. Which would be before the 3/12 murders.

Where do you conclude 3/12. You original post asks whether it is 3/11 or 3/12.

64 posted on 07/05/2006 5:27:03 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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To: pissant

You may have found an inconsistency. It happens.


65 posted on 07/05/2006 5:30:26 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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I was quoting the affidavit. Attachment A says 3/12 on each of the items. The 5:30 PM report by Iraqis of the deaths was 3/12. Yet that is not consitent with SOI5's report that it was on the 11th. Nor is it consistent with the kids getting home from school being the first ones to discover the bodies.


66 posted on 07/05/2006 5:32:27 PM PDT by pissant
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Yes, it defies reason to me. Stranger things have happened though. I want justice to be served. I just don't want anybody railroaded because of lies.


67 posted on 07/05/2006 5:37:49 PM PDT by pissant
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Fighting the enemy within
68 posted on 07/05/2006 5:38:16 PM PDT by TexKat
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I don't like that guys article. He has no idea of the dreadful BS and lies our Haditha Marines have had to put up with. Calling it a massacre there is uninformed in the extreme.


69 posted on 07/05/2006 5:41:34 PM PDT by pissant
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To: OmahaFields
Iraq investigation eyes senior officers

Prosecutors filed papers alleging the soldiers were stationed with a single vehicle at a traffic control point near victims' home. Military regulations in Iraq stipulate a military vehicle can not leave an American base unless accompanied by another.

70 posted on 07/05/2006 5:50:01 PM PDT by TexKat
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Sorry, it was "discovered". Meant the same thing in the context it was written though. And if I have my facts straight, the people interviewed on 6/20/06 were not witnesses. The subsequent "confessions" were from 6/26 thru 6/28.


71 posted on 07/05/2006 5:51:30 PM PDT by pissant
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To: TexKat
Military regulations in Iraq stipulate a military vehicle can not leave an American base unless accompanied by another.

Heads will roll. There was another discussion where our soldiers were killed while on solo patrol. They said that an investigation had begun on that and other lax controls at the bases.

72 posted on 07/05/2006 6:11:48 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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It says "On or about ..." on each count.

That is typical. They may have more information than presented. I really doubt that those guys were watching the clock too closely to see the stroke of midnight.


73 posted on 07/05/2006 6:21:01 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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Sorry, it was "discovered". Meant the same thing in the context it was written though.

Two completely different words and meaning.

74 posted on 07/05/2006 6:21:43 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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'I did not think soldiers were responsible'

Published: 07/06/2006 12:00 AM (UAE)

Mahmoudiya: The uncle of an Iraqi girl allegedly raped and murdered by US soldiers said yesterday the family did not believe the Americans were responsible until the US military announced an investigation.

Ahmad Taha said neighbours initially said the family thought insurgents had killed Abeer Qasim Hamza, along with her father, mother and a younger sister.

"We didn't think it was the Americans. People in the area knew it was the Americans, but they were afraid to say anything," he told AP Television News.

He said neighbours only came forward after the investigation was announced last week.

Taha spoke while standing before stone markers where the family was buried. He said he and other family members found Abeer's body burned and her father, mother and sister shot to death. He echoed other witness accounts, saying Abeer was 15, contrary to US accounts suggesting she was 20.

Steven Green, a former US soldier, was charged on Monday with the alleged rape and murder of the Iraqi girl. At least four other US soldiers are still in Iraq are under investigation.

AP Television News footage showed the house where the crime allegedly occurred with bloodstains on the wall.

There was a charred section of grass where the girl's belongings were allegedly burned to cover up the rape.

75 posted on 07/05/2006 6:30:31 PM PDT by TexKat
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It is possible that SOI5 is wrong about the day. But all media reports are also saying it was the 12th. Including this one.

http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/article_view.asp?no=303395&rel_no=1

Notice, there is another guy Taha that was the first to arrive at the scene. Question is, if police, neighbors, and kids all showed up on 3/12 when did the murders actually occur. Affidavit says they were drinking on the 11th, and some put on dark clothes to not be seen. That would imply a murder on the evening of the 11th or early morn of the 12th. Why would the bodies not be "discovered" until after school on the 12th? Did the Iraqi and US investigators show up AFTER that or before?


76 posted on 07/05/2006 6:33:32 PM PDT by pissant
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"There was a charred section of grass where the girl's belongings were allegedly burned to cover up the rape."

Yeah, that's the ticket, burn her clothes outside on the lawn so every neighbor would see.


77 posted on 07/05/2006 6:35:37 PM PDT by pissant
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Notice, there is another guy Taha that was the first to arrive at the scene.

Where does it say that Taha was the first to arrive on the scene? I did not see that!

78 posted on 07/05/2006 6:37:23 PM PDT by TexKat
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Well, perhaps, but if someone discovers his girlfriend in the sack with the mailman, chances are he's pretty convinced it was happening.


79 posted on 07/05/2006 6:39:22 PM PDT by pissant
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It is possible that SOI5 is wrong about the day. But all media reports are also saying it was the 12th. Including this one.

It says that On 3/11 SOI5 was on duty at TCP2 ....

I could see that this could mean that 3/11 was the start of the shift. I haven't seen any specific timeline. Did they go on duty 3/11 and were still 'on duty' after midnight?

80 posted on 07/05/2006 6:45:31 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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