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Questions about the Affidavit against Pvt. Green (Iraqi Rape/Murder case)
Findlaw.com/Pissant ^ | 7/5/06 | Pissant

Posted on 07/05/2006 3:33:11 PM PDT by pissant

First off, the information in the Affidavit and the MSM regarding this incident in Muhmudiyah does not look good for Steven Green or his alleged conspirators. If he or they are guilty of this crime, then I pray that the Military comes down on them like a ton bricks. The description of what happened is beyond disgusting and evil.

Having said that, I will continue to give the benefit of the doubt to Steven Green and the others, until they confess in a military court or are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

So in the interim, I will try to do my best, like on the Haditha case, to poke holes in allegations, and to publicize the work of others doing the same thing.

In regards to the affidavit (AD) used to charge Steven Green, I have a couple of questions/observations. You can click on the URL above to see the affidavit.

Questions:

In Item #5 in the AD, the CID investigation states that 3 men approached checkpoint 1 (TCP#1) on 3/12/2006 at 5:30 PM and reported that a family had been killed in their house and that it was believed to have been done by Anti Iraq forces or "others".

In Item #12, SOI5 (source of information) says that on 3/11/2006 an Iraqi approached him and told him the house had been burned. The Iraqi said four were dead and one had been raped. An HOUR later, Iraqi army personnel and four US soldiers, including SOI5, went to the scene and presumably took the photos.

So did the event happen on 3/11 or 3/12? If SOI5 is correct, then the bodies would have been in the morgue by 3/12 and a 3/11 report would have been discovered by the CID.

Item #6 says that during a combat stress debriefing on 6/20/06 it was determined that these members of the 4th Infantry division commited this crime. Yet all the previous reports say that two guys were debriefed, neither an eyewitness. One said that he overheard guys talking about it, and another said that he heard that the guys burned their clothes. And it was not until 6/24/06 that the invistigation from CIS started. Therefore Item 6 is factually wrong to say it was "determined" on 6/20/06 that our men did this.

In Item #8, SOI1 says SOI2 and KP1 (known participant) changed clothes before heading to the house. Then he says that SOI2, SOI3, SG and KP1 all burned their clothes when they got back. First, SOI3 supposedly stayed guard at the door fo the house, so why would he burn his clothes? And if he was in uniform, would he really burn his uniform at a checkpoint and stand there in his skivvies? 2nd, was SOI1 really dumb enough to man the checkpoint by himself while these guys went raping and pillaging, especially since one of the M4s they took belonged to SOI1?

In Item #10, SOI2 states "Green went into the bedroom to keep the rest of the family there" and that "KP1 threw a woman to the floor". After Green killed the family, SOI2 states that he witnessed "Green and KP1 rape the woamn that SOI3 had thrown to the floor". So who threw the rape victim to the floor?? SOI3 was supposedly standing guard outside the house.

In Item #11, SOI3 says that SOI2 ordered him to toss the AK-47 used by Green into the canal. SOI2 does not mention (items #9 and #10) that he asked SOI3 to get rid of AK-47.

Item #13 is the photo evidence. If this photo evidence was taken 3/11/06 by the Iraqi and US soldiers that went to investigate per item #12 (SOI5's version) then something is terribly amiss about the timing of this story.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: iraqrapecase; mahmoudiya; propaganda; stevendgreen
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To: pissant

Democracy Now... Amy Goodman... Pacifica Radio... the voice of Communism for at least the past 50 years.

And the L.A. Times on the same wavelength..

Much food for thought in the various reports, however.


521 posted on 07/11/2006 11:39:21 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Karl Rove: "I'm proud to be Norwegian-American!"... speaking to La Raza, heehee)
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To: La Enchiladita; TexKat

Yep. Red diaper doper babies.

Good to see that family still believes in the guys:

Mom believes in her soldier son

CHAMBERSBURG -- It is obvious when entering Nancy Hess' small, neat home on Stanley Avenue that family is an important part of the slender, graying mother's life.
Photos of her children and grandchildren are placed prominently around the living room, and she talks lovingly of them.

She is especially proud of her youngest, Pfc. Jesse Spielman, a soldier serving in Iraq with the 101st Airborne Division, a young man who went into the Army a year ago in an effort to better himself.

Tears well up as she talks about the turn of events this year she thinks has ruined her son's chances of ever realizing his dreams.

Spielman is one of five soldiers with the division's 2nd brigade combat team implicated in the rape of a young Iraqi woman and murder of the victim and her family. A former soldier, Steven Green, has been charged in the case. Green was discharged from the Army prior to the charges being filed June 30.

Spielman, 21, joined the Army just over a year ago to support the family he wanted to have. When he enlisted, he was planning to get married and wanted to have a child.

"He wanted to be a dad," his older sister Paige said. "He wanted a normal life."

Family members fear that dream of a normal life might now be out of the question, no matter the outcome of the Army's case against Spielman.

Regardless, family members swung into action to support him and protect Hess from anyone who might try to judge him or harass his mother.

Hess says no matter how bad things seem, she believes in her son and supports him.

"I love him very much," she said as she looked at a laminated poem by Marilyn McGee titled "A Mother's Pride" that Spielman bought for her at a gift shop in Fort Benning, Ga., when she and his future wife, Megan Ashbaugh, went to the military installation for his graduation from basic training.

http://www.publicopiniononline.com/localnews/ci_4044271



522 posted on 07/13/2006 1:36:30 PM PDT by pissant
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To: La Enchiladita; TexKat

Who is Sgt. Paul E. Cortez?

BARSTOW -- In a town like Barstow where everyone knows everyone else, finding anything about Sgt. Paul E. Cortez is a challenge.

Ar med with an old high school photograph and his name, most people could only vaguely remember the 23-year-old Barstow resident who has recently been charged with raping and murdering an Iraqi girl and killing her family while deployed to Mahmudiyah, Iraq, south of Baghdad, on March 12.

Calls to Cortez's old friends turned up fruitless. Each said they'd seen him in the past couple of years but could remember little of their time spent together and knew almost nothing about his family.

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Ex-girlfriend and Central High School classmate Alicia Fox had the most to say about the man that she described as "skinny" and incapable of a crime of that capacity.

"He would never do something like that," she said. "He would never hurt a female. He would never hit one or even raise his hand to one. Fighting for his country is one thing but not when it comes to raping and murdering. That's not him."

Fox, who recalls graduating in 2000 with Cortez, said he had a lot of friends when he did live here. She also said he was a member of New Life Fellowship on Main Street and that he had been really involved in the church's activities.

http://www.desertdispatch.com/2006/115280358752599.html


523 posted on 07/13/2006 1:40:12 PM PDT by pissant
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To: jude24
I'm sorry . . . no wait, I'm not . . . The only way for us to win a war against these enemies is to smite them all. We need to get strictly O.T. (Old Testament) on their backward death cult behinds. If we don't, they will only come back at us time and time again. Do you want to have to deal with what Israel has been dealing with since its birth? Call me a Bushbot if you will, but I will call you weak. You must crush your enemies without a quality of mercy. They are out to destroy us, we must stop them and prevent them from ever trying again. The only way to do that is to extinguish them utterly.

Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the Philistines have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy [it] for the old hatred; Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast. And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.
Ezekiel 25:15-25:17

525 posted on 08/07/2006 10:57:34 PM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99 ("Conspiracy theories are the products of feeble minds." - A. Horvet)
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