Replies

The Pence plan appears to be a guest worker type amnesty. Under the plan, illegal aliens in this country go home and apparently jump the guest worker line to get back in this country. They jump all lines and are able to obtain legal status to work here, i.e., a W visa... No they aren't jumping "all" lines. We've only established that they cut the guest worker line, the W visa being another guest worker visa. But we haven't established how many people if any they are cutting, as your 6 million figure was unrelated to any guest worker visa line.
Yes, it is an amnesty type advantage to wait in country for a a green card, but three things. (1)They aren't cutting in front of others waiting in the green card line; (2) they aren't voting as citizens; (3) we don't see a slug of new voting citizens like we did under Reagan's amnesty without an increase in the green card quotas. There's the "amnesty".

Now add to that an enforcement first HR4437 type plan and I will gladly consider the above-type of amnesty if enforcement works over time.

You either miss the point or refuse to get it. Just because Pence calls them "guest workers" doesn't make it so. The Clintonesque use of the language is meant to disguise what is happening. You seem to have bought it.

My friend, I specifically described the components of the Pence plan that are amnesty. You seem incapable of talking past labels and talking toward specifics.

So you agree that the Pence Plan is amnesty despite his claim that it isn't?

LOL, read my post.

You didn't make your point and that is the problem. You are still trying to avoid calling it amnesty outright. It is not a "type of" amnesty, it is amnesty.

Really, seriously, you've got to be kidding. I specifically defined the components of the plan that are amnesty components. Then I went on to say that I would want to see enforcement working for a period of time before I would consider the plan with its components of amnesty.

The problem is there was no bogey man aspect to my response so you have to -- miss it.

Really, seriously, you've got to be kidding. I specifically defined the components of the plan that are amnesty components.

The Pence Plan is amnesty. You continue to try to obfuscate and parse your language. Amnesty components? The 614 page Senate bill has amnesty components. And yes, the 12 to 20 million illegals do jump to the head of the line and are allowed to work and live in the US while applying for it. The Pence Plan also increases the number of guest workers with no cap during the first three years. The Pence Plan rewards illegal behavior.

From a practical standpoint, the Pence plan won't work. It will take far more than one week to do background checks, which must be done in the US and the home country. As someone who has had practical experience in processing and issuing visas, the Pence Plan is totally unworkable.

My friend, I specifically described the components of the Pence plan that are amnesty. You seem incapable of talking past labels and talking toward specifics.

I have provided the specifics, you haven't. The idea that various components of the Pence Plan can be addressed separately is nonsense. It stands and falls on its own in its entirety. Otherwise, it is no longer the Pence Plan.

The House bill provides an enforcement first approach. It doesn't address guest worker programs. If you are going to take the enforcement portion of the Pence Plan, which is essentially the House bill, why are the "amnesty components" even germane? Either you are for the Pence Plan or you are not. The Pence Plan is amnesty. You are defending the indefensible.