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To: CWOJackson
Dude, when you have to try and rely on an article in Slate to defend your position you're in a bad way

I'm curious how many strikes you are looking to get tonight?

1) I'm not a "Dude".

2) You're deflecting....it isn't going to work. LOL You stated the article confirmed YOUR position. YOU claimed this SLATE article you now demean supported YOUR postion. And to date still have not been able to prove that. You are spinning yourself into circles here, why don't you just admit you were wrong to state it backed your position when clearly it rips it to shreads?

kind of like how some of your folks were blaming the First Lady for having your collective arses handed to you in Utah.

It's interesting how you keep latching onto that to bolster your spirits, ignoring anything that casts doubt on your perception of the race.. like that article you are afraid to debate. Interesting but in any event it isn't serving to dampen enforcement advocates. That must be dispiriting for you.

207 posted on 07/04/2006 10:10:53 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Deport the United States Senate)
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To: Soul Seeker
Dude, you can rely on Slate, I'll stick with Newt Gingrich:

Newt Gingrich newsletter of June 12, 2006

"After we have demonstrated seriousness by securing the border, we need to establish the work-visa program in Rep. Mike Pence's (R-Ind.) bill (Border Integrity and Immigration Reform Act) that I wrote about last week. (You can learn more about the Pence plan here.) Pence's bill only allows work visas to be issued outside of the United States. So the simple answer to your question is that if you want to work in the U.S. legally, the rules will require you to go home to apply for the work visa.

"But this gets to why being serious about enforcing the law on employers is so important. If we do not enforce the law, then we can expect that employers will continue to break it. However, if we make it prohibitively difficult and costly for employers to hire a non-citizen illegally, then we can expect employers to comply with the law. When this happens, everyone who is working here illegally will be unable to find work and have no choice but to return home to get a work visa if they wish to work in the United States. We can establish a legal and compassionate way for individuals, especially those with families, to return home to apply.

"This is why the dichotomy nurtured by the pro-amnesty camp between 'mass deportation' and 'amnesty' is a false choice. The real choice is between amnesty and enforcing the law. Amnesty is a disaster, because it cheapens the value of American law. It sends the message that American law can be willfully violated without consequence.

"A work-visa program that is accompanied by total border control, uniform enforcement of existing laws (including draconian penalties on employers who continue to violate employment laws after a work-visa program is established), and the rejection of amnesty will have powerful incentives for individuals working here illegally to comply with the law and return home and apply. This will be especially true once a growing number of work-visa holders follow this path and employers find a growing pool of legal workers whom they can tap.

"The key in all of this is to create a set of incentives for the individual working here illegally to choose to comply with the law. If an individual working here illegally knows that improved border control will make it nearly impossible to cross the border again, that stepped-up law enforcement on the border and prompt removal will dramatically increase the chances of his being picked up and returned to his home country (with the penalty of being barred for a period of time of returning legally), that there is a legal way to work here, and that the work visa program that is established by the Pence bill is efficiently run so that there is a reasonably quick transition period in which to return home to apply and receive a work visa, then we can reasonably expect a swift migration to a dramatically improved and legal immigration system that will save lives and protect the rule of law."

210 posted on 07/04/2006 10:12:56 PM PDT by CWOJackson (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: Soul Seeker

Tell me why, if in a primary election that had a record low turnout and was billed as a referendum on illegal immigration, the border zealots couldn't defeat the incumbent they certainly had the motivation to take advantage of the low turnout.. They couldn't even get close. Jacobs didn't carry a single county in the district. If the issue was that red hot then Jacobs should have sailed to victory.


212 posted on 07/04/2006 10:16:08 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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