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Bush Signaling Shift in Stance on Immigration (Moving Toward Pence Plan)
NY Times ^ | 7/5/06 | SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

Posted on 07/04/2006 7:38:49 PM PDT by nj26

On the eve of nationwide hearings that could determine the fate of his immigration bill, President Bush is signaling a new willingness to negotiate with House Republicans in an effort to revise stalled legislation before Election Day.

Republicans both inside and outside the White House say Mr. Bush, who has long insisted on comprehensive reform, is now open to a so-called enforcement-first approach that would put new border security programs in place before creating a guest worker program or path to citizenship for people living in the United States illegally.

"He thinks that this notion that you can have triggers is something we should take a close look at, and we are," said Candi Wolff, the White House director of legislative affairs, referring to the idea that guest worker and citizenship programs would be triggered when specific border security goals had been met, a process that could take two years.

The shift is significant because Mr. Bush has repeatedly said he favors legislation like the Senate's immigration bill, which establishes border security, guest worker and citizenship programs all at once. The enforcement-first approach puts Mr. Bush one step closer to the House, where Republicans are demanding an enforcement-only measure.

"The willingness to consider a phased-in situation, that's a pretty big concession from where they were at," said Representative Tom Cole, Republican of Oklahoma, whose closeness to Mr. Bush dates to his days as a top Republican National Committee official. "It's a suggestion they are willing to negotiate."

In a sign of that willingness, the White House last week invited a leading conservative proponent of an enforcement-first bill, Representative Mike Pence, Republican of Indiana, to present his ideas to Mr. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney in the Oval Office.

Ms. Wolff said the president found the Pence plan "pretty intriguing."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; amnesty; danetakesaholiday; dubyasheadfake; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigration; immigrationplan; term2
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To: Soul Seeker
"Rep. Chris Cannon said his solid victory in Utah's Republican primary is good news for President Bush and those seeking a consensus on immigration policy this year. Cannon supports President Bush's proposal for a guest-worker program ..."

Pretty much sums it up.

161 posted on 07/04/2006 9:27:08 PM PDT by CWOJackson (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: CWOJackson
"The Pence plan takes care of the problem."

Thanks for the news....so what does it say....?

I guess it allows illegals to bypass the selective service requirement together with the amnesty....

or am I wrong..?

162 posted on 07/04/2006 9:27:37 PM PDT by spokeshave (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: kabar
Besides being amnesty, i.e., granting illegals currently in the country legal status, going to the front of the line and return to the US in less than a week while over 6 million people are in line today waiting in line to come into the US under various categories, which have caps.

What is your source for that "6 million" figure?

How many of those 6 million are waiting for a temporary working visa?

163 posted on 07/04/2006 9:27:55 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Texasforever
You have no idea what you are talking about. If you read the Pence Plan, it is obvious that it is amnesty for the 12 to 20 million illegals already here. It is not a matter of interpretation. It is what Pence states is in his plan.
164 posted on 07/04/2006 9:29:12 PM PDT by kabar
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To: spokeshave
"I guess it allows illegals to bypass the selective service requirement together with the amnesty...."

Exactly...since there is no amnesty your there is no issue regarding selective service.

165 posted on 07/04/2006 9:30:16 PM PDT by CWOJackson (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: FreeReign

The six million figure comes from ICE. Many of them are family members who are in categories that are subject to annual caps. Some people wait five or six years to get in. Temporary working visa are not part of this total. These are non-immigrant visas.


166 posted on 07/04/2006 9:31:58 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Fenris6

Ditto. If guest worker and amnesty have strong support in the US, then let us vote on it as a stand alone bill. I think the globalists know that the polls show that Americans are not comfortable with it and are concern with the long term effects of letting them stay. Today the economy is booming, but Americans are wondering what will happen if the economy hits a recession. Americans are also aware of the structural burdens on the schools, hospitals, state budgets (and taxes) illegal immigrants impose. That is why the US Chamber of Commerce, Dems are insisting on a comprehensive bill that will sneak unpopular provisions into law under the secure border provisions. Thank God for talk radio and FR, otherwise info controlled by the MSM would of snookered the American public.


167 posted on 07/04/2006 9:32:41 PM PDT by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: CWOJackson

You stated the article proved your position was valid. I give you the opportunity to prove this is the case. And your means of doing so is to reprint CANNON'S release? That was quotation from his headquarters, not the author and completely at odds with the analysis offered in the article.

Again, I repeat, how does the ARTICLE's analysis and conclusions square with your opinion. Offering a quotation from Cannon is completely at odds with what you were asked to deliver. And I suspect you know it.


168 posted on 07/04/2006 9:33:26 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Deport the United States Senate)
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To: kabar
Oh for crying out loud. Look you have made your mind up or Tancredo has done it for you. I am not going to waste my time trying to change your mind that is impossible
169 posted on 07/04/2006 9:33:59 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Soul Seeker

Your post pretty much sums it up. Mr. Cannon knew he would lose if he linked himself to Bush's amnesty plan. So he obscured where he stood (i.e., never mentioned that he supports amnesty, and hinted that he would return the lawbreakers) and then won by simple name recognition.

This explains the behavior of the pro-amnesty players - they know that this Primary was never a clean referendum on the amnesty plan.

It all makes sense now.


170 posted on 07/04/2006 9:34:42 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Soul Seeker
"And your means of doing so is to reprint CANNON'S release?"

ROFLMAO...from the people who base everything on Tom Terrifics daily press releases.

It's quite simply really, Cannon won and stated it very plainly...he won.

171 posted on 07/04/2006 9:35:16 PM PDT by CWOJackson (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: woofie

There is not a lot they can do. Once out of reconciliation it goes to the President. They will try to make it an issue but I don't think they will get much traction in the election.


172 posted on 07/04/2006 9:36:44 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: kabar
How many of those 6 million are waiting for a temporary working visa?

Temporary working visa are not part of this total. These are non-immigrant visas.

The Pence plan appears to be a guest worker type amnesty. Under the plan, illegal aliens in this country go home and apparently jump the guest worker line to get back in this country.

Thus these illegals under the Pence plan are not cutting the line in front of 6 million as you mentioned in your earlier post.

173 posted on 07/04/2006 9:40:43 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Texasforever

Pence's plan is amnesty plain and simple.


174 posted on 07/04/2006 9:42:22 PM PDT by Mike10542
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To: Texasforever
>>>>>Pence is getting a hell of a lot of support, I look for Senesenbrenner to come out for it soon and that will be the final straw.

More BULLoney. Your dreaming again, Tex. Cong Sensenbrenner will have nothing to do with any amnesty proposal. The Pence Plan is an amnesty proposal. Tancredo and Sensenbrenner are in full agreement on HR4437 going forth.

175 posted on 07/04/2006 9:43:43 PM PDT by Reagan Man (Happy 230th Birthday, America!)
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To: CWOJackson
They get vewwwy vewwy qwiet when Sensensenbreener is mentioned in the Cannon race. He took Tancredo to the woodshed over this race by his "in your face" endorsement of Cannon.
176 posted on 07/04/2006 9:44:11 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever

When you don't have the facts, it is difficult to make your case. You don't even know what is in the Pence plan. I do. It is amnesty. Read it and then make up your mind.


177 posted on 07/04/2006 9:44:20 PM PDT by kabar
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To: CWOJackson
Cannon won . Billbry also won . So What . The issue is bigger than one congressman in the pocket of the open border pimps. Bush tried to con his base once again , and he failed once again. Cannon , tancredo , etc . They are politicians and nothing more. It is about the American people and nothing else. I don't care whats good for Bush I am sure he has taken care of himself.
178 posted on 07/04/2006 9:44:30 PM PDT by fantom
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To: fantom

It is about the American people and last Tuesday they soundly rejected the approach offered by the border zealots.


179 posted on 07/04/2006 9:45:39 PM PDT by CWOJackson (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: CWOJackson
ROFLMAO...from the people who base everything on Tom Terrifics daily press releases.

:-)

Matter of fact....I've blasted Tancredo on his Mecca comments and am on record of disliking his personality. Go ahead, review my postings far back and you'll find I am no fan of the man. But don't let me disrupt your talking point. LOL

It's just too hard for you to grasp that someone can work alongside someone they aren't particularly warm towards to advance a policy they believe in is it? In this instance I agree with him on illegal immigration. On the WOT I agree with the President. On Miers I was against the President. On Roberts and Alito I was with him. On Dubai I was with him. On Terri I was against the Courts ordering her put to death. On NCLB I supported the admin, on prescription drugs I'm against them. Go ahead, I find it amusing when people try to typecast me. It's not so easy to do if you give any respect to my posting history.

As to your latter statement, again you avoid addressing the article's analysis. When you choose to do so, let me know.

180 posted on 07/04/2006 9:46:33 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Deport the United States Senate)
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