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Bush Signaling Shift in Stance on Immigration (Moving Toward Pence Plan)
NY Times ^ | 7/5/06 | SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

Posted on 07/04/2006 7:38:49 PM PDT by nj26

On the eve of nationwide hearings that could determine the fate of his immigration bill, President Bush is signaling a new willingness to negotiate with House Republicans in an effort to revise stalled legislation before Election Day.

Republicans both inside and outside the White House say Mr. Bush, who has long insisted on comprehensive reform, is now open to a so-called enforcement-first approach that would put new border security programs in place before creating a guest worker program or path to citizenship for people living in the United States illegally.

"He thinks that this notion that you can have triggers is something we should take a close look at, and we are," said Candi Wolff, the White House director of legislative affairs, referring to the idea that guest worker and citizenship programs would be triggered when specific border security goals had been met, a process that could take two years.

The shift is significant because Mr. Bush has repeatedly said he favors legislation like the Senate's immigration bill, which establishes border security, guest worker and citizenship programs all at once. The enforcement-first approach puts Mr. Bush one step closer to the House, where Republicans are demanding an enforcement-only measure.

"The willingness to consider a phased-in situation, that's a pretty big concession from where they were at," said Representative Tom Cole, Republican of Oklahoma, whose closeness to Mr. Bush dates to his days as a top Republican National Committee official. "It's a suggestion they are willing to negotiate."

In a sign of that willingness, the White House last week invited a leading conservative proponent of an enforcement-first bill, Representative Mike Pence, Republican of Indiana, to present his ideas to Mr. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney in the Oval Office.

Ms. Wolff said the president found the Pence plan "pretty intriguing."

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; amnesty; danetakesaholiday; dubyasheadfake; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigration; immigrationplan; term2
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To: KevinDavis
Yes, similar but not widely supported. Early on Pence's plan received wide support but things were stalled until "the referendum" was over.

If you're interested in Tom Terrific's reason for opposing the Pence plan just visit his Team America website and scroll down to the Pence Plan link. Warning, it will redirect you to VDARE for their position.

101 posted on 07/04/2006 8:44:49 PM PDT by CWOJackson (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: nj26

The Pence plan is amnesty.


102 posted on 07/04/2006 8:45:34 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

LOL


103 posted on 07/04/2006 8:45:55 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: JCEccles

You are just.... bizarre.

Cannon had a primary challenge, and won handily.

Now you are saying he "got the message"? That's such a Democrat tactic.

You need a new argument. Maybe admit that the people in Utah actually wanted to keep Cannon, and........oh why am I even wasting time on this. Nevermind.


104 posted on 07/04/2006 8:46:21 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Texasforever

I can't believe there is still debate here on the Cannon-won-but-really-lost issue.


105 posted on 07/04/2006 8:48:54 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: imahawk
I love the spin we get on this by the AG, the president,the senate. they are trying to make it sound as if this is going to fly

Agreed. Trying to make it sound like it is some sort of "middle ground" What a joke!

106 posted on 07/04/2006 8:49:56 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Rex Anderson

Exactly. If Cannon's "victory" was so meaningful, then why has Bush dumped the McCain-Kennedy bill?


107 posted on 07/04/2006 8:50:10 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: BobL
"...and yes we would have preferred a different outcome..."

Seems like the majority of Republican Utah voters on the threads that night were perfectly happy with the results...and the fact that the out-of-state PACs were not able to hijack their election.

108 posted on 07/04/2006 8:50:10 PM PDT by CWOJackson (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: Texasforever
Only Nixon Could Go to China, and Only Pence Could Sell Amnesty to the House

I know what is in the Pence Plan. Do you? If you go into the details, it is painfully obvious that this is a scam. It also won't work from a practical standpoint.

109 posted on 07/04/2006 8:50:12 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I have read the Pence plan. I wouldn't be supporting it if I hadn't.


110 posted on 07/04/2006 8:52:28 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: nj26
If Cannon's "victory" was so meaningful, then why has Bush dumped the McCain-Kennedy bill?

What makes you think the Presidnet was for the McCain-Kennedy bill?

111 posted on 07/04/2006 8:52:31 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Rex Anderson

It was predictable.


112 posted on 07/04/2006 8:52:57 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: BobL
Basically what the shamesty proponents are saying is that if Senator Lieberman wins his primary 56-44 over that DU clown, then the entire Democratic base now fully supports Bush on Iraq.

Bingo.

BTW, if border enforcement advocates are discredited and amnesty is sailing forward uncontested by will of the people...why are they still on these threads?

Actions speak louder then spin folks.

113 posted on 07/04/2006 8:55:15 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Deport the United States Senate)
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To: Texasforever

"That is the same percentage he got in his 2004 primary."

Not quite, but who's counting.

Anyway, he did have a fight then, any idea why?


114 posted on 07/04/2006 8:57:45 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Soul Seeker
BTW, if border enforcement advocates are discredited and amnesty is sailing forward uncontested by will of the people...why are they still on these threads?

Who said amnesty is sailing forth. Tancredo is stopped in his tracks so a real solution can be passed. He is lucky to have an office to go to given the number of Conservatives he has slimed this year.

115 posted on 07/04/2006 8:57:55 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: BobL
I would assume that his base support in the district is around 56%. He wins the generals by larger numbers. This idea that an incumbent has to win a primary challenge by 20 points or he is in trouble is nonsense.
116 posted on 07/04/2006 8:59:44 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever

In unrelate news, Italy knocked German out of the World Cup finals. Responding to his team's loss, the German coach responded, "You can see by the final score just how badly Italy won."


117 posted on 07/04/2006 9:01:32 PM PDT by CWOJackson (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: CWOJackson

LMAO.


118 posted on 07/04/2006 9:01:48 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever
>>>>Tancredo is stopped in his tracks so a real solution can be passed.

Only in your wildest dreams, Tex.

>>>>He is lucky to have an office to go to given the number of Conservatives he has slimed this year.

BULLoney! HR4437 is alive and well.

119 posted on 07/04/2006 9:02:21 PM PDT by Reagan Man (Happy 230th Birthday, America!)
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To: Soul Seeker
"...why are they still on these threads?"

Excellent point. The apologists do seem a bit worried still.

A standard tactic by these types of people is to tell you that the fight is over, you have lost, time to get aboard the train. That's just what they do when I fight new toll roads and the attempted conversion of freeways to toll roads, here in Texas. In fact, some of those same apologists for Governor Perry are on this thread.

Unfortunately for them this form of psychological peer pressure has only very limited effect on blogs (as opposed to face to face). They haven't figured this out yet, so they still look silly.
120 posted on 07/04/2006 9:04:47 PM PDT by BobL
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