Schwarzenegger ripped as 'part of the problem' (Tom Tancredo attacks California governor...)

WND ^ | July 4, 2006 | Staff

[MikefromOhio]

Then run for POTUS and maybe JimRob will have a poll for you versus Hillary

Except for the fact that I'm not old enough to do so....

You can laugh all you want, the facts don't lie. FReepers give Cong Tancredo the most support among Republicans, against the Democrat candidate that most everyone who pays any attention to American politics and who believes will secure the party nomination in 2008. Hillary. Things could change, but right now, Tancredo comes out #1.

Facts? You are outright ignoring a poll that shows Tancredo isn't in the top 3 when given choices on WHO is the GOP nominee and YOU want to lecture me about facts? You need to get your head on straight before you bring that garbage at me.

Your opinion is in the minority.

Doubtful. Very very doubtful. Chances are YOUR opinion is in the minority, otherwise Tancredo would be polling above 1% in ANY given poll nationwide. In short, Tancredo is going to go down in flames and that WON'T help his pet issue.

[Reagan Man]

>>>>I wouldn't vote for Tancredo. Not for any reason.

And I wouldn't vote for Giuliani, not for any reason.

>>>>>If you want to support him that's your business but you are assuming a hell of a lot about how other conservatives would vote.

I'm assuming nothing. Just using conservative FR as a guide, 86.6% of FReepers support Tancredo over Hillary.

[MikefromOhio]

I'm assuming nothing. Just using conservative FR as a guide, 86.6% of FReepers support Tancredo over Hillary.

I find it absolutely hilarious that you are willing to quote one poll as bible and verse yet you dismiss another poll out of hand. It's QUITE telling of your character, don't you think?

[Reagan Man]

Look. If you want to use the results from an older FR poll, fine. Its geared differently then the current one-on-one poll setup that JimRob's been running lately. In the current one-on-one polls, I'd say Tancredo is doing real well. The best, so far. You obviously don't like Tancredo one iota. That's your right. The key is whether Tancredo will run in 2008. Frankly, I don't see him running in 2008. What Tancredo is attempting to accomlplish, is to keep the immigration reform issue on the front burner. In that effort, he's done an outstanding job.

[Nachum]

Unfortunately for we FReepers and like minded fellow conservatives our choices are poor. The problem in California is that a true conservative stands no chance of winning the Gubenatorial election. Schwartzenegger appealed to the middle as well as the conservative base.

As far as Californians are concerned, he is the obvious choice over Angelides who is left of Stalin. A failure to vote for Arnold to a third party candidate or a non-vote is in effect a vote for Angelides.

Our choices for president are fairly similar. Tancredo will never appeal to the middle. Giuliani may never be the desired choice, but he would beat Hilary. Tancredo would lose.

[Artemis Webb]

"Unfortunately for we FReepers and like minded fellow conservatives our choices are poor. The problem in California is that a true conservative stands no chance of winning the Gubenatorial election. Schwartzenegger appealed to the middle as well as the conservative base. As far as Californians are concerned, he is the obvious choice over Angelides who is left of Stalin. A failure to vote for Arnold to a third party candidate or a non-vote is in effect a vote for Angelides.

Our choices for president are fairly similar. Tancredo will never appeal to the middle. Giuliani may never be the desired choice, but he would beat Hilary. Tancredo would lose."

Ya nailed it. Well said.

[MikefromOhio]

Look. If you want to use the results from an older FR poll, fine. Its geared differently then the current one-on-one poll setup that JimRob's been running lately.

If you want to deny that Tancredo MIGHT NOT be the choice of most FReepers, I could respect that you support him. But instead you, flying in the face of all wisdom and logic, decide to take one poll as the gospel truth and ignore another one due to how it's "geared". That's on you. Meanwhile, the polls show that when he is paired up against other possible GOP candidates, he comes in 4th. You can't deny it and your dream matchup of Tancredo against Hillary isn't going to happen anyway.

In the current one-on-one polls, I'd say Tancredo is doing real well. The best, so far. You obviously don't like Tancredo one iota. That's your right. The key is whether Tancredo will run in 2008. Frankly, I don't see him running in 2008.

He isn't my congressman. For a long time on FR I've said he isn't Presidential material and wouldn't do any good as the President anyway. It isn't a dislike or like thing. As for it being "obvious", the only thing that is "obvious" is that you are a Tancredo honk and won't stop at anything to proclaim your idol's "successes"....

What Tancredo is attempting to accomlplish, is to keep the immigration reform issue on the front burner. In that effort, he's done an outstanding job.

What he has accomplished is pretty negligible. The candidates he's put up have all lost, he has further marginalized himself with that NAU crap, and he's CONTINUALLY violating the 11th commandment of Ronald Reagan. I would have figured that a supposed "Reagan Man" might have picked up on that, but I guess you've switched your idolatry from one to another.

[Reagan Man]

We disagree. I've learned many things in politics covering almost 40 years and I learned many things campaigning for Reagan in the 70`s and 80`s. The best way to hurt the conservative cause, is to vote for a liberal. Conservatives should never vote for liberals, even if they have an "R" next to their name on the ballot. Doing so only undermines conservatism and helps to advance liberalism. Schwarzenegger and Giuliani are liberals and neither man is worthy of the vote of any political conservative.

[stephenjohnbanker]

Reagan was a most remarkable man, not just a great President. We miss him terribly!

[NapkinUser]

"California has sent the NG to its border with Mexico, maybe California doesn't share the NM and AR border with Mexico."

If you can explain how this in any way applies to what I wrote, you get a prize. The man was whining about Tancredo, California and why Tancredo won't complain to the governor of Colorado about not sending the Colorado national guard to the border, which doesn't border with Mexico. What you wrote makes zero sense.

"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." -Mark Twain

[dennisw]

Looks like Tom Tancredo spanked the super sized Austrian

[Nachum]

The best way to hurt the conservative cause, is to vote for a liberal.

I respect your work for Reagan, but I believe your experience doesn't tell the whole story about why Reagan won. Reagan was unique in his appeal to the voters as is Arnold. His popularity and celebrity cut accross party lines. Reagan won the middle, not because he was a conservative, but in spite of it. If you throw up a candidate that polarises the middle, he will lose. I watched it happen in California. Pete Wilson destroyed the competition because he was percieved as being in the middle. Bill Clinton won much the same way. If you put up Tom McClintock in California this time 'round, he would lose to Angelides.

I would love to vote for the true conservative here in Mexifornia, but I have watched how we lost the Governorship in the election prior to Arnold before. We ran two conservatives in two consecutive elections here and had our heads handed to us. Arnold is nowhere near as horrible as Angelides would be.

[JustaDumbBlonde]

In before Dane ...

[Reagan Man]

Support who ever you like, I couldn't care less. I already told you I don't think Tancredo is even running in 2008. Right now, I don't support anyone. So, when you say my dream matchup is Tancredo versus Hillary, that is a fabrication of your juvenile mind. Btw, you can stop pretending you know WTF you're talking about when it comes to politics, cause you don't know jackcrap about politics. Nada, zippo, zero, zilch!

>>>> ... and he's CONTINUALLY violating the 11th commandment of Ronald Reagan.

That is the biggest fallacy about the Reagan legacy. I told you this once before, obviously you weren't paying attention. I'll try it again.

Reagan did not create the phrase, Eleventh Commandment. Instead it came about during his 1966 run for the California Governorship.

"The personal attacks against me during the primary finally became so heavy that the state Republican chairman, Gaylord Parkinson, postulated what he called the Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. It's a rule I followed during that campaign and have ever since."

Reagan actually broke his own rule when he ran against PresFord for the GOP nomination in 1976. Reagan criticized Ford during the primary season, right up through and including the GOP convention. Reagan was a gentleman and he wanted everyone to like him, but when the chips were on the table, Reagan was a tough SOB. Ford found that out in 1976, when Reagan almost pulled an upset at the GOP convention. George Bush found out how tough Reagan was in the 1980 campaign for President.

And the fact that you attack conservative Tom Tancredo with the vicious zeal of a liberal Democrat, shows you have no respect for Reagan's 11th commandment either. You're a big mouth, know-nothing hypocrite.

[Reagan Man]

Reagan was a conservative Republican who supported the GOP platform and the agenda of the conservative movement. Reagan was pro-defense, pro-limited govt, pro-tax reform and pro-life. Schwarzenegger is the complete political opposite of Reagan. Arnold is a liberal.

Reagan won two huge landslide victories because he ran on the most conservative agenda since Calvin Coolidge. Reagan won twice because he was able to appeal to conservative Democrats and independent conservatives. Later on, those two constituencies would become known as, Reagan Republicans. That is how Reagan helped to build the GOP into the majority party it is today.

>>>>If you put up Tom McClintock in California this time 'round, he would lose to Angelides.

That's what was said in the 2003 recall election. However, the last Gallup Poll taken, showed McClintock beating Bustamonte and by almost the same margins that Schwarzy had over Bustamonte.

You folks have to wake up and smell the coffee, before its too late. A vote for a liberal, is a vote against conservatism.

[Reagan Man]

If you get some time, read this speech by Reagan. Its simply a great speech and the basis for Reagan's rise to power as POTUS.

Reagan's Speech at the 4th Annual CPAC Convention: A New Republican Party, February 6, 1977

[68 grunt]

You certainly are a dim bulb. Perhaps you just spout off without reading or thought.

The CA NG has been deployed on the CA/MEX border. The request from the Prez was for additional troops to be deployed along the AR and NM/MEX borders. That request was denied by the governor, and the hypothetical question is why not deploy CO NG along those borders. Zero sense, wow. You should follow Mr Clemens advice.

[68 grunt]

... you're a big mouth, know-nothing hypocrite.

I'll give you this, Reagan Embarrassment, you certainly have gall enough to go with your bile.

[mthom]

"I believe Tancredo is the biggest jerk and most damaging person to be in the Republican party"

Here is a likely future post of yours: I believe Sensenbrenner is the biggest jerk and most damaging person to in the Republican party.

You can substitute Sensenbrenner for anybody else to the right of Teddy Kennedy on immigration if you like. I see how your type operates.

[mthom]

Do you doubt that 100% ACU rated Tancredo is a real conservative? You can think he obviously isnt a viable candidate because of his mouth like I do or hate him for his immigration stance like many here do but to deny he is a good conservative is absurd.