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ex-GI accused of Iraq rape, murder from same platoon as 2 GI's who were kidnapped, mutilated
AOL News ^ | 07/02/05 | TIM WHITMIRE

Posted on 07/03/2006 3:46:35 PM PDT by motife

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To: motife

Alcohol-fueled?

Another, not good...


21 posted on 07/03/2006 4:01:09 PM PDT by dakine
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To: motife

It may be true, but...

Is it just me, or have accusations like this been flying since Haditha? Hardly a week goes by that doesn't see charges of rape and murder leveled against GIs.


22 posted on 07/03/2006 4:02:34 PM PDT by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: sinkspur
If anybody is knee-jerking it is those who insist that "our military just does not do stuff like this."

I have not seen anybody on any thread say "our military does not do stuff like this." I have seen many that want to extend to the accused the presumption of innocence.

Charges have been brought against this soldier but that doesn't mean he is guilty. I'll admit it doesn't look good.

Lt. Pantano was charged with premeditated murder and a courts marshal was convened and all charges were dropped so I would question who is making knee jerk reactions.

23 posted on 07/03/2006 4:05:54 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: sinkspur

You have never been in the military, obviously. As a Marine legal officer and pilot from 1972 to 1980, I can tell you that this happens less in the military than it does in civilian life. Military induction and training tends to weed out the criminals and psychos and military leadership does not tolerate the presence of these types of people in their commands. When this happens, and if it happened, it is an anomoly and it is delt with harshly in accordance with the UCMJ!


24 posted on 07/03/2006 4:07:11 PM PDT by downtownconservative (Murtha is truly an EX-Marine...his motto, "nunquam fidelis")
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To: sinkspur
If anybody is knee-jerking it is those who insist that "our military just does not do stuff like this."

All I said was that I'll wait for the facts to come out. I never implied or suggested that the soldier should get off or stoop to the terrorists' level.

25 posted on 07/03/2006 4:07:40 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (What you know about that?)
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To: SE Mom

Thanks...


26 posted on 07/03/2006 4:08:41 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (What you know about that?)
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To: downtownconservative

DITTO....


27 posted on 07/03/2006 4:08:54 PM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero..............)
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To: SE Mom; sinkspur
I'm really getting fed up with your attitude.

You're not the only one SE Mom. He can't pass up a thread without supporting the media that presume our soldiers and Marines guilty.

28 posted on 07/03/2006 4:10:25 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: motife

..look at the leadership in this unit...


29 posted on 07/03/2006 4:11:31 PM PDT by Van Jenerette (U.S. Army 1967-1991, U.S.Army Infantry OCS Hall of Fame, Ft. Benning)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

This morning on BookTV, Ron Suskind was talking about his book, "The One Percent Doctrine" and I believe I heard him say the two GIs from the 101st were killed by Iraqi policemen who were still being trained by Americans.


30 posted on 07/03/2006 4:14:41 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: sinkspur

wow. I agree with you on something. That hasn't happened in quite some time :>


31 posted on 07/03/2006 4:16:33 PM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: SE Mom; sinkspur

Seriously, you should take a break. Sinkspur is a realist.


32 posted on 07/03/2006 4:17:04 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: motife

Try and execute any guilty parties, and then get on with the business at hand.


33 posted on 07/03/2006 4:18:39 PM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: motife

"Discharged due to a personality disorder"?Anyone know what that means?


34 posted on 07/03/2006 4:19:01 PM PDT by Thombo2
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To: leadpenny

It requires a grasp of reality in order to be a realist. Pessimist, maybe, at best.


35 posted on 07/03/2006 4:19:22 PM PDT by downtownconservative (Murtha is truly an EX-Marine...his motto, "nunquam fidelis")
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To: downtownconservative; sinkspur

I've read Sinkspur's posts for some time. His/her feet are firmly on the ground.


36 posted on 07/03/2006 4:24:14 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: downtownconservative

"Military induction and training tends to weed out the criminals and psychos and military leadership does not tolerate the presence of these types of people in their commands."

There have been quite a number of news posts on FR over the past few years detailing the following: lowering of standards / increase in waivers for recent enlisted into the Army, relaxing the rigors of Army bootcamp and lastly a surge in gang activity / petty criminality in the Army in general but in Iraq in particular. So for you to claim that the Army "weeds" the scumbags out, is misplaced faith. That branch has been doing all it can to keep them in with the inevitable bad consequences. Let's hope that this isn't one of them.


37 posted on 07/03/2006 4:25:55 PM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: SE Mom
You seem to be unable to refrain from jumping on every single thread about this topic and cheering for the prosecution. I know- I'm not quoting you - I know you never said that.

Are the prosecutors US military, or are they a bunch of creeps who have it in for the guys in the trenches?

I'm sorry you'd rather everyone on these threads be cheerleaders, even for lawbreakers.

I look forward to lawbreakers, whether in military or out, being rooted out and punished.

People like Green make men like my son, ex-military who spent three years in Kosovo, very angry. It's hard not to catch a little of that from him.

38 posted on 07/03/2006 4:46:12 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: jazusamo
He can't pass up a thread without supporting the media that presume our soldiers and Marines guilty.

That, of course, is not true, but it is one of the traits of those who have called the 15 year old who was raped a "whore," and state that her family killed her and burned her body, to imply that any discussion of these incidents not straight down a certain party line is unpatriotic.

39 posted on 07/03/2006 4:50:01 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: jazusamo

Well, you made most of my points for me! I was just listening to Lt. Ilario Pantano on Rush, during lunch, today. If anything, I'd guess that our military justice system would tend to be overly-presumptious of guilt in a case* like this, but, then again, guilt surely is possible.

The problem is of course how this will be taken in Iraq. We need to, and I am confident our investigators will, find out what really happened. IF, and I stress the IF... IF this guy or someone else is guilty, then a public execution in Iraq would be the best bet (but probably not "legal", though I know little about UCMJ.) Oh, wait, that's right, the accused is already in our civilian legal system 'cause he's already out of the service.

*I was once foreman on a jury in a much lesser case with a former M.P. -- a great guy, actually. But the other 11 of us on the jury had the darndest time convincing him that even though all of us were pretty suspicious of the accused, the state simply did not prove it's case. Not even close. But Mr. M.P. was sure the guy was guilty. I didn't think we were ever going to get out of that jury room. But, I wasn't mad at the M.P., I just made sure to never vote for that dang lousy local prosecutor!


40 posted on 07/03/2006 4:51:18 PM PDT by Paul R. (June 8, 1966: Tornado removed most of our house, glad we had a basement!)
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