Posted on 07/03/2006 3:46:35 PM PDT by motife
Alcohol-fueled?
Another, not good...
It may be true, but...
Is it just me, or have accusations like this been flying since Haditha? Hardly a week goes by that doesn't see charges of rape and murder leveled against GIs.
I have not seen anybody on any thread say "our military does not do stuff like this." I have seen many that want to extend to the accused the presumption of innocence.
Charges have been brought against this soldier but that doesn't mean he is guilty. I'll admit it doesn't look good.
Lt. Pantano was charged with premeditated murder and a courts marshal was convened and all charges were dropped so I would question who is making knee jerk reactions.
You have never been in the military, obviously. As a Marine legal officer and pilot from 1972 to 1980, I can tell you that this happens less in the military than it does in civilian life. Military induction and training tends to weed out the criminals and psychos and military leadership does not tolerate the presence of these types of people in their commands. When this happens, and if it happened, it is an anomoly and it is delt with harshly in accordance with the UCMJ!
All I said was that I'll wait for the facts to come out. I never implied or suggested that the soldier should get off or stoop to the terrorists' level.
Thanks...
DITTO....
You're not the only one SE Mom. He can't pass up a thread without supporting the media that presume our soldiers and Marines guilty.
..look at the leadership in this unit...
This morning on BookTV, Ron Suskind was talking about his book, "The One Percent Doctrine" and I believe I heard him say the two GIs from the 101st were killed by Iraqi policemen who were still being trained by Americans.
wow. I agree with you on something. That hasn't happened in quite some time :>
Seriously, you should take a break. Sinkspur is a realist.
Try and execute any guilty parties, and then get on with the business at hand.
"Discharged due to a personality disorder"?Anyone know what that means?
It requires a grasp of reality in order to be a realist. Pessimist, maybe, at best.
I've read Sinkspur's posts for some time. His/her feet are firmly on the ground.
"Military induction and training tends to weed out the criminals and psychos and military leadership does not tolerate the presence of these types of people in their commands."
There have been quite a number of news posts on FR over the past few years detailing the following: lowering of standards / increase in waivers for recent enlisted into the Army, relaxing the rigors of Army bootcamp and lastly a surge in gang activity / petty criminality in the Army in general but in Iraq in particular. So for you to claim that the Army "weeds" the scumbags out, is misplaced faith. That branch has been doing all it can to keep them in with the inevitable bad consequences. Let's hope that this isn't one of them.
Are the prosecutors US military, or are they a bunch of creeps who have it in for the guys in the trenches?
I'm sorry you'd rather everyone on these threads be cheerleaders, even for lawbreakers.
I look forward to lawbreakers, whether in military or out, being rooted out and punished.
People like Green make men like my son, ex-military who spent three years in Kosovo, very angry. It's hard not to catch a little of that from him.
That, of course, is not true, but it is one of the traits of those who have called the 15 year old who was raped a "whore," and state that her family killed her and burned her body, to imply that any discussion of these incidents not straight down a certain party line is unpatriotic.
Well, you made most of my points for me! I was just listening to Lt. Ilario Pantano on Rush, during lunch, today. If anything, I'd guess that our military justice system would tend to be overly-presumptious of guilt in a case* like this, but, then again, guilt surely is possible.
The problem is of course how this will be taken in Iraq. We need to, and I am confident our investigators will, find out what really happened. IF, and I stress the IF... IF this guy or someone else is guilty, then a public execution in Iraq would be the best bet (but probably not "legal", though I know little about UCMJ.) Oh, wait, that's right, the accused is already in our civilian legal system 'cause he's already out of the service.
*I was once foreman on a jury in a much lesser case with a former M.P. -- a great guy, actually. But the other 11 of us on the jury had the darndest time convincing him that even though all of us were pretty suspicious of the accused, the state simply did not prove it's case. Not even close. But Mr. M.P. was sure the guy was guilty. I didn't think we were ever going to get out of that jury room. But, I wasn't mad at the M.P., I just made sure to never vote for that dang lousy local prosecutor!
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