Posted on 07/03/2006 6:32:14 AM PDT by The Lion Roars
If you had bothered to read the entire dialogue you would have seen that I HAD been to India and HAD worked with Indians for five years.
However, since you start your diatribe with SHUT UP, we know where your logic lies: directly with your emotions, not your brains. Therefore, my statements stand. YOURS fall with the rest of your meaningless, worthless, brainless, emotional diatribe.
Don't take this as an attack on YOU personally; it's not. It's an attack on your thinking and your ideas. You are, without doubt, a nice person when your brain is working.
I didn't even bother to read the rest of the garbage...since the first statement starts out with an insult, based on your NOT reading the entire dialogue of my comments.
Nothing personal, again, but try doing some reading before you open mouth and insert foot.
P.S. The very fact that STILL "marrying up or down" through such a racist, sexist system as caste is appalling in this day and age....really appalling. It should have been dumped LONG ago.
Our country got rid of legal slavery in 1861, less than 100 years of our being a nation. At least we got rid of the laws....and worked on the rest. At least we tried before we were TOO old.
Ad hominem attacks are forbidden, or haven't you bothered to read the rules of this web site? The idea is to attack a person's THINKING or IDEAS, not to attack them by name calling and other rude, crude, puerile, infantile, juvenile means.
Also, perhaps your emotions cloud even the basic logic of which I am SURE you are capable, when people resort to the most juvenile name calling "...you are indeed stupid" it is a clear, blatant admission that you have INDEED lost the argument and have NOTHING to add but childish name calling.
THANK YOU for making my case in such a clear, lucid, glaring way.
Ghandi certainly DID encourage humility. He did because he saw so little of it.
By the way, Ghandi's saying of "If someone slaps you on one cheek, show them the other cheek." DOESN'T come from him. It was a quote from Jesus Christ in the New Testament.
Mind you, Ghandi drew so many of his teachings from Hindu, Muslim AND Christian sources, deliberately. I KNEW that. Apparently you didn't as this quote was one of Jesus' MORE FAMOUS and difficult teachings to follow.
if thats the opinion you formed about Indians, then fine. Although none of my american friends ever expressed this. This might also mean that you felt inferior in the compnay of those Indians!
Lol.
Perhaps none of your American friends ever worked with Indians or Pakistanis the way I did.
Your last comment absolutely shows your superiority complex....so EXPECTED from you.
THANK YOU for making my case in such a clear, lucid, glaring way. Lol. I kinda knew that you would. Most of you come through, as this thread continues to demonstrate. It's nice to have my case made for me over and over and over.....
Ok, I apologise. Yesterday wasn't the best day for a rational argument, given the frame of mind I was in. So, yes, ok, I take back the personal attack.
Now, lets discuss your arguments rationally, personal attacks aside.
1) The opinion you formed from a few Indians working abroad, whether true or not, doesn't justify the generalizations you make about 1.1 billion people.
2) India’s history is closer to 7000 years old. Islam wasn’t even around 3500 years ago. So pre-Muhammedan Islam doesn’t exist. Pre-Islamic Arabia has little influence on Indian culture and history.
3) “That feeling of superiority to the rest of the Hindus, the very caste system itself, drove MILLIONS to Islam, understandably so. But Brahmins and other higher castes KNEW they were superior to the rest of the world too.”
a. I presume that it was the casteism in Christianity that converted Bosnians and Albanians to Islam then…Going by your own argument that is…Have you heard of the Jeziah taxes? The beheading of non-Muslims who couldn’t pay taxes, or for that matter, the violent methods muslims around the world used to convert people to Islam? These were the same reasons that people converted in India too…It might be true that a small section converted because of casteism, but in India, even Islam has its castes. There was no escaping the casteism by changing religions. I suggest that you read up a little more before you argue on this point.
4) “The point is, the OVERCONFIDENCE stems from their very soul. I don't think they or Pakistan should have nukes EITHER.”
a. And your point is?? What has the overconfidence of one community which you seem to target often in your posts, if it exists, got to do with the “overconfidence” of the government and the establishment that is the focal point of the article? I also see a clear pro-Islamic stance in because I don’t see even a mild comparison between the 2 religions. Besides, what bearing has casteism got to do with this topic at all? Or for that matter Hinduism?
b. You must remember, we are not begging nuclear weapons from you, we already have them. Unlike the chicoms and the pakis, we developed them ourselves. The deal is for us to be able to buy nuclear material in the market. You can’t decide on whether we should have nukes or not, we already do, the point is whether we can buy more nuclear fuel. We are going through with this deal at a significant cost for ourselves as well. So don’t for a minute think that we are at your mercy. The US needs us a lot more in geo-political terms than we need them. Among the first things Bush said when he got off the plane in India was “ I want this deal”. So there…
5) “Too bad so few Americans really know so very little about India and Hinduism.”
a. This is a significant indicator of your anti-Hindu bias. What do you know about Hinduism? Do you think you’re on of the very few Americans who really know India? More than people who your state department pays to study India, the Fulbright scholars who come to India? A tourist on a one month trip to India barely even sees the surface. Working with a select few Indians for no matter how long barely even touches the tip of Hinduism or India, so I wouldn’t claim I knew India if I were you
6) “Our country got rid of legal slavery in 1861, less than 100 years of our being a nation. At least we got rid of the laws....and worked on the rest. At least we tried before we were TOO old.”
a. Our “Country” is less than 60 years old, we got rid of legal caste system in our constitution’s first draft, 3 years after independence. We have been working on it ever since,we still are, and we are definitely not old. We are a young dynamic nation that changes every minute. It’s obviously been years since you have been to India, especially since you seem to mention problems between Sikhs and Hindus, that was in the 80s. may I suggest another trip, this time longer than before, and a more detailed itinery than a hotel with a good view of the Taj Mahal perhaps.
7) “I KNEW that. Apparently you didn't as this quote was one of Jesus' MORE FAMOUS and difficult teachings to follow.”
a. I think An_Indian quoted it to say how we have adopted humility in our culture. Not to claim that we gave the quote to the world. He just said that “Gandhi once said”…nothing more. Given that you say you knew that it was jesus and An_Indian didn’t, I see a pathological inferiority complex, because you are constantly trying to prove you know more than someone else when such a statement was unwarranted. Nothing personal this time, I am just analysing psychology that’s all. I would think the same of anyone else who said something like that.
8) “Perhaps none of your American friends ever worked with Indians or Pakistanis the way I did.”
a. Perhaps you would like to elaborate, because I am not sure exactly what way you worked with Indians that other Americans who see Indians in good light may not have. It may help us understand where you’re coming from
9) Keeping the above in perspective, Starfish, my dear friend, I will return the advise to you. “but try doing some reading before you open mouth and insert foot”
End of discussion.
How many lies are in nine yards?
Good then, Loser quits claiming to have won. Doesn't know enough to make one rational argument and wants to take pot shots at 1 billion people and their culture.
BTW, whom do you teach yoga to? The airheads of Hollywood who can't tell Padmaasana from Pamela Anderson?
Hahaha. You can't be clever with that absurd usage...only amusing at the try. It makes NO sense.
But, since YOU brought up the subject of lies, I guess YOU would know ALL about them. Perhaps it's part of your upbringing. (Nine yards are part of mine.) So, I guess YOU would know the answer.
Gandhi drew none of what he taught from any religion other than his own. The Song of God gave Gandhi his strength and comfort. He respected and appreciated the Sermon on the Mount, but his "teaching" he drew straight from the Gita.
Btw, Gandhi was not a great teacher. Compared to the truly great Mahatmas, Gandhi was a dwarf.
Yes. I do know the answer. You don't.
1. Ghandi took that quote about turning the other cheek from Jesus. Jesus didn't use Hinduism for his preaching though His parables were often based on the Old Testament.
2. Who cares. I sure don't.
Lol. Thank you for admitting that you know all about lies. I have to admit that I don't know all about lies. I try to tell the truth as much as I can. I guess you truly are a child of your upbringing. That speaks so poorly of your upbringing. But, then, you as much as admit that with your admission above.
Second, I care about lies. Other wise I wouldn't be correcting you.
You've told some whoppers on this thread...and refuse to learn from them. So, rot in your ignorance. I suspect you'd rather keep rotting than learn anyway.
Btw, You're a lousy hypocrite, too.
don't bother talking to this rotting piece of neandertal faecal maggot. He doesn't understand a word he types. He's on an IQ test by some stem-cell research scientist who wants to see if stem cells from starfish can enlarge the brain of a baboon. This baboon is just typing away all the words he knows in english, periodically using CAPITAL letters when he needs a tickle.
That one I love who is incapable of ill will,
And returns love for hatred.
Living beyond the reach of I and mine
And of pleasure and pain, full of mercy,
Contented, self-controlled, firm in faith,
With all their heart and all their mind given to me –
With such people I am in love.
The Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 12.
Strange correlation, hmm? ;^)
Thank you.
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