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To: palmer
Ok, reading it now, but I don't understand how they can apply normalization since the temperature is not a vector.

As I said I can't help you. I don't have the mathematical or phsyical knowledge. I only suggest that, when you argue it out with them, you stick to mathematics and physics, and not constantly look for evidence that they "spilled the beans".

170 posted on 07/04/2006 1:37:50 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

Well, it's not a physics or math argument really. Spilling the beans is my way of saying how I understand their goal in using the PCA technique. It's probably not technically incorrect, but the assumption in Fig 5 is obvious, they want proxy data to match the instrumental record. They found that data: bristlecone pine (from climateaudit website). Now I have to figure out two problems: whether they applied the PCA method correctly (likely) and whether it is correct to "pull" a temperature signal from noisy, low resolution proxy data using PCA (doubtful). The reason I say doubtful is there are more direct ways to determine the temperature component of a proxy (such as compensating for rainfall). The PCA method ignores that extra information. That's not a fatal flaw but it does raise some questions about its applicability.


172 posted on 07/04/2006 2:26:01 PM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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