[robertpaulsen]

"You've seen Madison's writings on the matter more times than I can count"

Madison is not "the states". I'll ask you again. If you know what the states understood about the Commerce Clause let's hear it.

If anybody is "rejecting out of hand" it's you when I ask you to support your statements.

[tacticalogic]

I'll ask you again. If you know what the states understood about the Commerce Clause let's hear it.

I take it you're not going to be convinced by anything short of hearing the ground itself speak.