I'll weigh in one more time, and then will not engage further. So I give you the last word.
First, many of the invectives hurled here are directed at me, even if yours wasn't. Indeed, the thread opens with the statement that anyone who disagrees with the poster is an ... IDIOT. They are then peppered throughout the thread. But more to the point of your comment ...
When my 7-year old son watches basketball in the park directly across the street from our house, as he often does, he sees some truly remarkable players -- late teens and early twenties who come from all over the city where I live. He loves the game and learns a lot. Far too often, though, the games break down into disputes over one thing or another, and the profanities flow freely. I pass judgment on those players, and not only or even primarily because I don't want my child subjected to that sort of language. I figure that language is part of his education, as unfortunate as it may be. By behaving as they do, they hold up the game, they show extraordinary disrespect for their fellow players (and those waiting in the wings), and they demonstrate a contempt for the rules of the game. Moreover, and most important, they distract from and diminish the game itself, which is where the true learning comes. So, I do pass judgment on them even though none of their invectives are directed at my kid.
For these same reasons, I pass jugment on you. I see no difference whatsoever between this circumstance and those playground games across the street.
Now, on to what I consider the substance of my views ...
Charles Krauthammer had a column a few weeks ago that I considered absolutely brilliant, and which I adopted as my own. He argued that the issues of securing the borders and offering amnesty are separable, and that the securing of the borders must come first, even before we have a real dialogue about amnesty. Not only do I think Krauthammer is right, but I think there is no real alternative to this approach. One way or another I think we will get there -- we can talk about amnesty if and only if the borders are truly secure.
I have opinions on amnesty, though within certain boundaries they are not set in stone. Whatever those may be -- and please, folks, don't assume that I favor amnesty just because I won't oppose it here -- I think this is how all of us here should view the issue. Because I don't think that our disagreements revolve around securing the borders. We all want that, as soon as possible and as securely as possible. There is much more to unite us than divide us.