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To: Gengis Khan
"Your karma will have its due consequences.

In the next life. Therefore someone you encounter in this life is paying for the bad karma incurred from a previous life. According to the Brahma Sutras "Each soul is responsible for its own fate" but the soul is reincarnated from one earthly life to the next. So someone suffering in this life is deserving of it.

The fact is this thought process has caused large parts of Hindu society to be indifferent to the suffering of the poor. Mother Teresa in Calcutta was Catholic, not Hindu. Indeed, Christianity changed Rome (and subsequently Western Europe) from a society that valued and taught contempt for the poor and thought of compassion as a weakness to be avoided. Christ's ministry changed all that.

From Wikipedia:

Appaya Dikshita, a Saivite theologian and proponent of Siva Advaita, states that Siva (God) only awards happiness and misery in accordance with the law of karma.[5] Thus persons themselves perform good or evil actions according to their own inclinations as acquired in past creations, and in accordance with those deeds, a new creation is made for the fulfilment of the law of karma. Shaivas believe that there are cycles of creations in which souls gravitate to specific bodies in accordance with karma, which as an unintelligent object depends on the will of Siva alone. Thus, many interpret the caste system in accordance with karma, as those with good deeds are born into a highly spiritual family (probably the brahmana caste).

The Vedas tell us that if we sow goodness, we will reap goodness; if we sow evil, we will reap evil. Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami further notes that karma refers to the totality of our actions and their concomitant reactions in this and previous lives, all of which determine our future. The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate reaction. Not all karmas rebound immediately.

...[M]ost Hindus believe in universal salvation: that all souls will eventually obtain moksha, even if it is after millions of rebirths.

In Christianity, you don't have to wait for "millions of rebirths." You can be reborn now, and reap the reward of the heavenly after-life immediately following your death. You are responsible for your own actions. Nothing of a previous life matters. If you are poor, it is not because your reincarnated soul is receiving the effect of the accumulation of bad karma from a previous life. Which if it is leaves one with no reason to intercede in a life gone bad, as why would I want to thwart the payback for the bad karma the soul is receiving from a previous life? That would go against the system.
64 posted on 06/30/2006 11:00:29 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
Your Wikipedia tripe says this right in the beginning:

"To meet Wikipedia's quality standards, this article or section may require cleanup."

"Thus, many interpret the caste system in accordance with karma, as those with good deeds are born into a highly spiritual family (probably the brahmana caste)."

Thats the personal opinion of the author (and we dont even know who he/she is). "Many interpret" (they do so wrongly). Many who? Do any religious scriptures say that? They dont. Cast in classical Hinduism wasn't accorded birth but by profession. So you cant be born into a cast. Not according to Hinduism.

Secondly:
Shaivites are a sect within Hinduism any there are many.

"...[M]ost Hindus believe in universal salvation: that all souls will eventually obtain moksha, even if it is after millions of rebirths."

Yes. It means there is no eternal damnation for any living being no matter how evil. They will still attain salvation no matter how long it takes.

You are going to have to do better than picking up some tripe from Wikipedia.
65 posted on 06/30/2006 11:26:48 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: FreedomCalls

In the next life. Therefore someone you encounter in this life is paying for the bad karma incurred from a previous life. According to the Brahma Sutras "Each soul is responsible for its own fate" but the soul is reincarnated from one earthly life to the next. So someone suffering in this life is deserving of it.

As I said you are responsible for your actions. There is no getting away.You may reap your bad karma in this life .........or if not then in the next.  There is no escaping the consequences. Although you can always make amends to avoid the consequences.

The fact is this thought process has caused large parts of Hindu society to be indifferent to the suffering of the poor. Mother Teresa in Calcutta was Catholic, not Hindu. Indeed, Christianity changed Rome (and subsequently Western Europe) from a society that valued and taught contempt for the poor and thought of compassion as a weakness to be avoided. Christ's ministry changed all that.

Thats a stereotype and not fact. Large parts of India is no doubt poor but people are not indifferent. Have you ever been to India? What do you know about Hindu society being indifferent? Your local televangelists told you so? Mother Teresa is a great woman but she isn't the only example. There are many others among Hindus who have doe similar work.

And moreover poverty is an economic problem and it cannot be solved through compassion. Large parts of (Christian) Africa is poor. By your logic one can infer that the rich Christian West is indifferent and insensitive to their sufferings.  


67 posted on 06/30/2006 11:42:41 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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