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To: wideawake
I believe a great big powerful church like the Catholic Church can handle throwing out baby killers, pedophiles, and priest who harbor illegals. Really. All of them. At the same time. And not "working" on it, but just doing it. Today is fine. Yesterday would have been better.
20 posted on 06/30/2006 8:08:28 AM PDT by GOPJ ('Pinch' has been named al-Qaida's Employee of the Month for the 12th straight month-Phil Brennan)
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To: GOPJ
So you would throw out the innocents along with the guilty? Remember, that God said he would "spare the town for the sake of the five". I think the Church merely tries to follow the example.

As for abortion, the cardinal said any pro-abortion politician should "not face the Holy Eucharist" --which is the essence of excommunication.
25 posted on 06/30/2006 8:24:36 AM PDT by beancounter13
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To: GOPJ

A couple of quick points.
1. Anyone involved in an abortion is automatically excommunicated by their very involvement, and the church has been pretty tough with politicians who support abortion.
2. All priests who have committed any substantiated case of sexual abuse (on minors or otherwise) are removed from ministry and sometimes defrocked.
3. Haboring illegal aliens is not an offense against God. Whether we LIKE it or not, sanctuary has long been a tradition of the church and isn't likely to change. Many mid-guided clerics do not see the problems that illegal immigration cause, but that makes them no less immoral than the politicians and sheeple who do the same.

All that being said, the church has a 2000 year history of being very reluctant to "throw out" anyone! Her mission is to bring souls to Christ, not to satisfy anyone's notion of right or wrong. Forgiveness for repentant sinners is not the example of the church (although it has always tried its best to witness to that) it is the example of Jesus. It is not incumbent upon her to "throw out" God's people, it is instead incumbent upon her to admonish the sinner to try to do better and welcome them back into the fold as was the prodigal son.

In the case of priests, the issue is even more complicated. A bishop is considered the spiritual parent of the men who serve as presbyters in his diocese, and as such, owes them even greater service, love, and understanding than they do other souls in their care. It is his responsibility to discipline and correct them, and to forgive them just as he would any other member of his flock. This paternal duty has, unfortunately, obscured the fact that this does not relieve a law breaking member of the clergy from the legal responsibility to pay for their crimes in the manner that is prescribed by society.


28 posted on 06/30/2006 8:40:01 AM PDT by LurkLongley (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam-For the Greater Glory of God)
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To: GOPJ
I believe a great big powerful church like the Catholic Church can handle throwing out baby killers, pedophiles, and priest who harbor illegals. Really. All of them. At the same time.

Finding pedophiles in the ranks involves more than asking for a show of hands, if you get my point.

39 posted on 06/30/2006 8:57:45 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: GOPJ
And not "working" on it, but just doing it.<.i>

Sorry, but it requires work.

First, there are priests who are unjustly accused of abuse by people who have an agenda. Destroying the life of an unjustly accused priest must be avoided.

That takles investigation and review.

Second, pedophiles are sneaky liars who do everything possible to conceal their crimes.

The real criminals are not just going to all of a sudden come clean and admit what they did.

Yesterday would have been better.

I agree.

44 posted on 06/30/2006 9:07:47 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: GOPJ

Ummm....It is Christ's Church. HIS Mystical Body. He said things like "hate the sin but love the sinner." We are all allowed to repent of our sins. Even you. We are asked to forgive not 7 times but 70 times 7 times.

Frank


74 posted on 06/30/2006 7:33:03 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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