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To: RobRoy
You miss my point. If there is no creator and we are all accidents, what it appears to be to me is relevant only to me. It has no value outside of me, except when that belief causes me to directly impact others. And even then it does not make it right or wrong - only something to be dealt with by others.

Bull crap. First off, even without God we would not be "accidents." We are the product of natural environmental stresses, and of late societal stresses. No accidents in there at all, unless, um, your parents weren't "prepared" for you...

Secondly, in a society of interacting individuals, relevance is judged not just by the holder, but by the people he interacts with. You seem to hold some sort of idea that it's just you and God in the equation, whereas it's you and about 6 billion other folks, and maybe God. And, right or wrong is outside the provenance of God -- otherwise God telling you to kill a small child would be "right" even though it is universally considered "wrong." Why is it universally considered wrong? Because it severely impacts the survival of the group (tribe; society; he-man, woman-hater's club, whatnot).

The Greeks realized how improper it would be to use gods as the arbiter of good and evil, or right and wrong. And yet they managed to have a good idea of what these concepts meant. Go figure.

550 posted on 07/03/2006 10:03:49 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Junior

>>Bull crap. First off, even without God we would not be "accidents." We are the product of natural environmental stresses, and of late societal stresses. No accidents in there at all, unless, um, your parents weren't "prepared" for you...<<

Call it what you want. That makes it an accident. Just selfish genes in action...

Science fiction notwithstanding, a thing cannot give itself purpose.


552 posted on 07/03/2006 10:40:57 AM PDT by RobRoy (The Internet is about to do to Evolution what it did to Dan Rather. Information is power.)
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