[Stultis]

I'm not expecting you to accept that the purely biological path is how we humans came to have a moral sense. I was more just (tacitly) pointing out that the end picture, what the moral sense looks like and how it operates, isn't much different on the biological versus divine origin account. Of course more explicitly my point was that, therefore, the religious rhetoric that evolution "should" have us all behaving like ruthless monsters is silly and stupid.

[OmahaFields]

evolution "should" have us all behaving like ruthless monsters

I cannot understand how CE comes to this conclusion. The bible lays it all out how we are ruthless monsters and NOT one time did God blame it on evolutionists.

[ChessExpert]

I'm not expecting you to accept that the purely biological path is how we humans came to have a moral sense. I was more just (tacitly) pointing out that the end picture, what the moral sense looks like and how it operates, isn't much different on the biological versus divine origin account. Of course more explicitly my point was that, therefore, the religious rhetoric that evolution "should" have us all behaving like ruthless monsters is silly and stupid.

O.K. I see where you are coming from. I hope you won’t dump on me for the colloquial language.

What would evolution-only imply about moral / immoral behavior? I don’t know. This may be a problem for evolution generally - it is hard to know what it predicts. But you do make a good case!!!!!!!!!

The question I was asking was this - what reason can one give to anyone, including oneself, for good behavior? (As you can see, I’m trying to remain general, and not demonize anyone.)