Brain Food (Amazingthing about Godless is the amount of intellectual meat Ann Coulter has packed...)

The American Prowler ^ | 6/30/2006 | Richard Kirk

[Junior]

Bite me, luddite. No one is "hijacking" anything. We've got just as much right to read and comment on a thread here as you. No one is asking that you vacate these premises, are they? We're putting up with your inanities because we understand the underlying dynamic of this forum -- i.e., free-flowing debate. But hey, I understand when your point is vapid that you might not want to have anyone come along and point it out for all to see, which is why you'd want your opponent off the thread.

We, on the other hand, revel in our opponents' ignorance and gain much joy in pointing it out for all to see. So, I invite you to continue posting as much as you could possibly want to me. Please note, however, that I reserve the right to reply to you, and in the same vein.

[Donald Rumsfeld Fan]

Until Air America, Helen Thomas, and most Democrat constituencies alter their rhetoric, I see no reason for conservatives to denounce Coulter for using, more truthfully, the same harsh language that leftists have employed, with no regard for accuracy, since the time of Lenin. When liberals denounce communist tyrants as fervently as they do real Nazis, then it will be time for Coulter to cool the rhetoric. Until that time her "verbal reprisals" serve a useful function within an intellectual marketplace that resembles a commodities pit more than a debating society.

..Coulter & liberal chickens

[saleman]

Real open-minded there. I'm at least willing to look at other opinions on creation. One thing I've never understood. What does it really matter? As an object of debate, maybe. But what point does the debate serve?Why are we here? How was the universe formed? The same "meaning of life" question. My answer: It just is. Simplistic as hell, I know. I'm a simple kind of guy. I've got bills to pay, job to get to, friends and family to love, places to go and things to do. This debate is not a debate at all. Just a bunch of people namecalling and preaching. So all you intellectual types keep it up. It seems like a huge waste of time and energy to me.

[DoctorMichael]

C'mon Anne. When will you come back to the True Religion!!!!!!!!!!!!!...............

http://www.echoesofenoch.com/hollowearth.htm

The Earth is hollow!!!!!!!!!!!

I read it on the Internet therefore it must be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Bible says so too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..........

Isa 40:22 "It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."

.......and we all know that the Bible is the literal Word of God!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets all get together and get this into our Godless Public School System as a viable alternative to what the Godless Geologists profess!!!!!!!!

Who's with me?

And now a word from the illustrious founder of the Hollow Earth Society:

[subterfuge]

Bite me, luddite. No one is "hijacking" anything.

Guess I struck a nerve! Yep, you hijacked the thread alright.

[Radix]

"At the very least Coulter succeeds in raising an important issue -- namely, that American courts currently ignore the religious or quasi-religious character of a philosophy that pervades public institutions and is propagated with public funds. "

D'accord!

Ping!

[Aria]

If you're referring to me, forget it. I appreciate well reasoned debates backed up with facts. Junior makes some good points.

[Christian4Bush]

No, Nate, only a fool defends evolution.

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GMTY, RaceBannon.

My former pastor, in a series he regularly taught, had an interesting perspective about evolution v. creation.

First of all, he called them both theories, since neither was reproducible via the scientific method. Barring the time to go into all of the technical arguments for either side (for which both sides have written tomes), he tried to boil it down to the basics.

In evolution, there was a big mass of something that got there somehow. That something went bang, and chunks of this something that got there somehow were dispersed into space, where the fragments rapidly cooled and became what we know as planets. And it just so happens that only one of those "masses" can support human life...which if evolution is to be believed, evolved from monkeys and apes.

(An aside: the pastor's son, when very young, asked his dad, "If we evolved from monkeys and apes, why are there still monkeys and apes?")

In creation, there was a beginning, and in it, God created the heavens and the earth, the seas, light, darkness, fish, animals, and humans (interestingly enough, He personally only made two, and then provided for human procreation for everyone since...except for one). He did it in six days, and rested on the seventh.

Those are the basics. His point was that, if both are theories, on which one do you "hang your hat"? He proposed two tests to apply to the theories:

1) which theory makes more sense;
2) which theory more satisfactorily answers life's questions.

Which theory makes more sense? Does it make sense that some mass just appeared out of nowhere, exploded on its own, became the various planets on its own, with only one being able to sustain life? Does it make sense that everything I see is the product of blind chance and time? This mass...who made it? This bang...what made it go "bang"?

Or, does it make more sense that someone designed it all? That it happened just the way that the Bible described it? (perhaps that is the problem, and that's one thing that the pastor mentioned...once you acknowledge that there is God, you become accountable to Him, and without excuse of "I didn't know"...that opens up a whole 'nother discussion, for another time).

So, if the first question is a push (which theory makes more sense), then the second question is, "which theory more satisfactorily answers life's questions"? His list was short, five basics.

1)Who am I?
2)Why am I here?
3)What happens at death?
4)Is there a basis for morality?
5)Is there a (what is the) meaning of human history?

So he applied both theories to each question.

1) Why am I here?

If evolution is true, I am an accident. I am the result of blind chance and time. I'm just an ape who made good. On the other hand, if creation is true, I am a significant being, made in the image of God. (Psalm 139, Genesis 1)

I like the latter better. And the latter seems to make more sense.

2) Why am I here?

Well, if evolution is true, and I am an accident, why am I here? WHO CARES! I'm here for no reason...again, the product of blind time and chance. If creation is true, then I am here to glorify God, enjoy Him forever, and do whatever He has purposed for me.

3) What happens at death?

If E is true, and I am an accident, with no reason to be here, then what happens at death? NOTHING! That's it. One day I'm here, the next day I'm not. I can do what I want. "Eat and drink, for tomorrow I die." If creation is true, I go to one of two places, heaven or hell, based on a decision I made (or didn't) to trust (GASP) Jesus as my Savior. (That's what I believe)

4) Is there a basis for morality?

If E is true, no. Why? Well, what is the basis? On what or on whom is it based? The Creator? There wasn't one. Under evolution, I am an accident, here for no reason, who has no debt to pay when I die...I can do anything I want, to anyone I want. (Of course, someone could invoke the same on me) If creation is true, there is a basis for morality, and that basis is God Himself. Perfect in every way, sinless, and God in the flesh, who knew no sin, became sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God. In Christ, we are made acceptable to God.

5) What is the meaning of human history? Or is there one?

If evolution is true, and I am an accident, with no care about why I am here, what happens when I die, or how I treat my fellow man (or woman). Given that, history means nothing to me. It happened. It had to be an accident as well. Whatever. If creation is true, then history has a purpose, and a meaning, and a definite end.

Anyway, that is the short "from memory" part. Some will say that it is even worse than what Ann said, some will buy into it...I leave that for you to decide.

[Donald Rumsfeld Fan]

Coulter having a ball and simultaneously raking in the dough

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Liberal chickens & Rinos with their panties in a bunch

[killjoy]

NOTHING! That's it. One day I'm here, the next day I'm not.

It appears that the main point of your post is that you are unable to accept that you might be insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

[Christian4Bush]

Interesting post, killjoy. It matches your screenname.

My significance comes from a source higher than killjoy. I don't derive significance from who I am, where I live, what I wear, where I work, who I marry, what I post on FreeRepublic, whoever posts to me on FreeRepublic.

That little "fragment" that you excerpted was part of a point. Yes, if I believed in evolution, I could come to no other conclusion than "why am I here? my life means nothing, the end of my life means nothing, i'm just a killjoy." Fortunately I don't believe in evolution. I believe that someone made the world, and me too (in my mother's womb), and one day I'll meet Him.

Like it or not, like me or not, I don't care.

[usurper]

Does it make sense that some mass just appeared out of nowhere, exploded on its own, became the various planets on its own, with only one being able to sustain life?

As one who accepts ID I would drop this from your argument. How could we possibly know that there is no other life out there? My theory of ID would imply that life is a natural part of Gods design.

Given the vastness of the universe there would mathematically be countless other planets capable of supporting life. If life is a natural occurrence according to Gods design then it would follow the same physical laws as everything else.

[Christian4Bush]

Where is the other life? And whose money am I supposed to spend, so that people can travel the galaxies to find out?

Not to pile on you, not at all, but I don't really care what life is on other planets. I have a hard enough time dealing with life on this planet. For those who devote their life to finding life on other worlds, more power to them. I just don't have time for it in my life. Let them try, and when they find something, if they find something, then I will gladly tell them congrats, and visit their multimillion dollar estate (or watch it on tv).

Till then, no.

[Bryan24]

Junior, it is replies like yours that Ann Coulter is talking about.

I've gone through the science classes and have heard the arguments evolutionists make. To me, they don't make logical sense and the evidence doesn't add up.

You think they do. But that is not good enough for you. You, like the other ardent defenders of a totally Godless world, heap ridicule, scorn, and invective upon those who disagree with you.

Like we say down here in Alabama, "you're too smart for your own good."

[Junior]

To me, they don't make logical sense and the evidence doesn't add up.

Your lack of understanding is not a strike against the theory of evolution. The only scorn I have is for people who not only do not understand the ToE, but who then proceed to assault everyone with their ignorance. I have yet to run up against an anti-evo who had clue one what he was talking about.

And, as for "down here," I'm in Alabama, too.

[Bryan24]

"I have yet to run up against an anti-evo who had clue one what he was talking about." - Junior

(A looooooooooong pause here while we analyze that statement)

No response needed, you've just proven my point.

[ozzymandus]

Don't forget all the evolution robots who respond to criticism by calling their opponents "stupid".

[ozzymandus]

I don't think Ann is on your side.

[Junior]

Would you like to prove me wrong, or just post a snide comeback and hope to get away with it? Well, here's your chance. What do you know but don't understand about the theory of evolution?

[Junior]

Don't forget all the evolution robots who respond to criticism by calling their opponents "stupid".

Examples would help here, or do you think we'll simply take your word for it?